Quicksand Fans

Aloha all!

I know, this is the 4th thread on the subject, kind of. I didn't want to hijack the thread talking about the specific clip; this isn't about forum rules; and it's not specific to Studio 588. So, new thread, new location!

I've commissioned numerous audio-only pieces over the years. I write a script, hire a voice talent, and savor the results. It's pretty affordable and can be done from the comfort of my own home.

I *might* purchase something pre-fab were it available and priced appropriately, but the fact that I can get one customized to my specific desires without breaking the bank makes it seem unlikely. To me, it would be like going into a restaurant and ordering "something with beef and a drink" for $10 instead of ordering "Ribeye, medium rare, and a Guinness" for $50. At this price point, I can get what I want.

That being said, the overhead involved in producing such content would be low compared to the overhead involved in producing video. I imagine that all of the active producers here would have equipment that is adequate, although far from ideal, to do a clean audio recording. A little investment in time learning how to use the audio processing aspects of their existing software, and the infrastructure would be in place.

These producers already have fetish models visiting with some regularity. Whether or not those women are skilled/trained in mic work is an unknown; doubtless some will be better than others, but the models would already be there. Scripts could even be solicited from this forum, with the reward being a free copy of the finished product to the authors of selected pieces. Like books on tape, we could have "The Gift" by PM2K as read by SaraLiz. It would be easy to build an inventory.

Customs, though! The idea that I could submit a personalized script and have it read by Star, for example, would be of interest to me. Now we're cooking with gas!

Regardless of the details, it's a business model that would be easy to pursue with little cost or risk.

This is to say that as a producer I am interested, though a lot more in the idea of doing it as a custom. though not quite on the model described (if I understand what was intended).

If such projects are undertaken it must be recognized at the outset that, as suggested, the ability to do video improve is very different from the ability to record a script. Very clearly, audio only things would be considerably less expensive than video scenes, but some considerable thought would have to be given to what costs would actually be. The most critical factor would be what is a fair fee for the actress, assuming she is already on site for a video shoot.

Chimerix wrote:Aloha all!

I know, this is the 4th thread on the subject, kind of. I didn't want to hijack the thread talking about the specific clip; this isn't about forum rules; and it's not specific to Studio 588. So, new thread, new location!

I've commissioned numerous audio-only pieces over the years. I write a script, hire a voice talent, and savor the results. It's pretty affordable and can be done from the comfort of my own home.

I *might* purchase something pre-fab were it available and priced appropriately, but the fact that I can get one customized to my specific desires without breaking the bank makes it seem unlikely. To me, it would be like going into a restaurant and ordering "something with beef and a drink" for $10 instead of ordering "Ribeye, medium rare, and a Guinness" for $50. At this price point, I can get what I want.

That being said, the overhead involved in producing such content would be low compared to the overhead involved in producing video. I imagine that all of the active producers here would have equipment that is adequate, although far from ideal, to do a clean audio recording. A little investment in time learning how to use the audio processing aspects of their existing software, and the infrastructure would be in place.

These producers already have fetish models visiting with some regularity. Whether or not those women are skilled/trained in mic work is an unknown; doubtless some will be better than others, but the models would already be there. Scripts could even be solicited from this forum, with the reward being a free copy of the finished product to the authors of selected pieces. Like books on tape, we could have "The Gift" by PM2K as read by SaraLiz. It would be easy to build an inventory.

Customs, though! The idea that I could submit a personalized script and have it read by Star, for example, would be of interest to me. Now we're cooking with gas!

Regardless of the details, it's a business model that would be easy to pursue with little cost or risk.

Chimerix wrote:... I imagine that all of the active producers here would have equipment that is adequate, although far from ideal, to do a clean audio recording. A little investment in time learning how to use the audio processing aspects of their existing software, and the infrastructure would be in place. ...

And I imagine that if you averaged out the producers here, this may be accurate.

But one of the producers here studied audio engineering in college, helped build several recording studios, and designed, constructed and tuned commercial playback systems (globally) - and learned and used Vegas Audio before Vegas Video even existed. Not sure which one though.

But seriously, with Camp MPV turning into the visual candyland it was always meant to be, I consider audio projects to be something to do when I don't have the visual capacity that I do now - or the physical capacity to use it. But it does fall squarely into the 'never say never' category of things to consider.

dlodoski wrote:And I imagine that if you averaged out the producers here, this may be accurate.

But one of the producers here studied audio engineering in college, helped build several recording studios, and designed, constructed and tuned commercial playback systems (globally) - and learned and used Vegas Audio before Vegas Video even existed. Not sure which one though.

But seriously, with Camp MPV turning into the visual candyland it was always meant to be, I consider audio projects to be something to do when I don't have the visual capacity that I do now - or the physical capacity to use it. But it does fall squarely into the 'never say never' category of things to consider.

I certainly hope I didn't step on the toes of that, or of any, producer here! It was more of an observation that the tools used to record good audio-for-video differ pretty substantially from the tools used for good audio-for-audio! I'm sure the audio engineer understands

Fred588 wrote:If such projects are undertaken it must be recognized at the outset that, as suggested, the ability to do video improv is very different from the ability to record a script. Very clearly, audio only things would be considerably less expensive than video scenes, but some considerable thought would have to be given to what costs would actually be. The most critical factor would be what is a fair fee for the actress, assuming she is already on site for a video shoot.

Agreed! Totally disparate skillsets, and totally different fee structures. And it may actually be impractical. After all, one would not want to sacrifice time that could be used making videos to make "mere" audio recordings, so the recording sessions would have to be outside of regular shooting times. This means a longer day and more demand on the talent.

Chimerix wrote: It was more of an observation that the tools used to record good audio-for-video differ pretty substantially from the tools used for good audio-for-audio! I'm sure the audio engineer understands

One of the quirks of Vegas is that it has a product called Sound Forge built into it, by nature.

Before Sony bought it, Sonic Foundry wrote Vegas Audio, and the their flagship product Sound Forge as studio quality audio production platforms. People were so impressed with the interface that they actually tacked video editing on top of it and out came Vegas Video. Then Sony came along and did their thing with it all.

They are up to version 15 now. I started on version 3. And I bought a copy of Vegas Audio before that.

As it happens, a friend and I actually produced a quicksand audio drama using Vegas Audio back in '99 or so. It was set in an Egyptian pyramid and had music and sound effects and narration and the whole bit. I don't have a release on the performer involved though, so I can't share it.

Hmmmm.

I'm intrigued - and I certainly have a lot of female talent to draw upon.

I suppose the best way to experiment would be:

1. Someone send me a script, e.g. Chimerix.

2. Suggest a few models from the DIDVP years, or my recent Soft Dangers work.

3. I'll do the audio project, create a podcast and share it (one) for free.

Then see if folks like it, how to improve, etc.

While I am planning winter quicksand scenes this year, those will be few - this could be fun.

Michael
michaelleachphoto@gmail.com is the best way to reach me!

Audio quicksand could be awesome if handled right... I'm thinking of how the old radio shows worked so well... with the right voices and sound effects, it really would be a great production.

One of my favs in this has been Mean Sink by our good friend Nessie. Her audio clip of her reading/performing her own story in first person was amazing, in my opinion - a story of revenge, told by the person who is taunting the target after she lures her ex into quicksand. Studio 588 did a POV version of this tale, also starring Nessie, which is cool, but I also liked the audio version because it really makes my imagination work in the best possible way.

I'm all ears for such a project - preferring the dramatic, but I also like the sexy, too.

Just my two cents.

PM2K wrote:Audio quicksand could be awesome if handled right... I'm thinking of how the old radio shows worked so well... with the right voices and sound effects, it really would be a great production.

One of my favs in this has been Mean Sink by our good friend Nessie. Her audio clip of her reading/performing her own story in first person was amazing, in my opinion - a story of revenge, told by the person who is taunting the target after she lures her ex into quicksand. Studio 588 did a POV version of this tale, also starring Nessie, which is cool, but I also liked the audio version because it really makes my imagination work in the best possible way.

I'm all ears for such a project - preferring the dramatic, but I also like the sexy, too.

Just my two cents.

Allow me to point out that the scene mentioned is a video, not an audio. I think if you just turned off the display and listened only it would not work so well.

Fred588 wrote:

PM2K wrote:Audio quicksand could be awesome if handled right... I'm thinking of how the old radio shows worked so well... with the right voices and sound effects, it really would be a great production.

One of my favs in this has been Mean Sink by our good friend Nessie. Her audio clip of her reading/performing her own story in first person was amazing, in my opinion - a story of revenge, told by the person who is taunting the target after she lures her ex into quicksand. Studio 588 did a POV version of this tale, also starring Nessie, which is cool, but I also liked the audio version because it really makes my imagination work in the best possible way.

I'm all ears for such a project - preferring the dramatic, but I also like the sexy, too.

Just my two cents.

Allow me to point out that the scene mentioned is a video, not an audio. I think if you just turned off the display and listened only it would not work so well.

I thought I did.... but I guess I didn't make it clear. My bad... The video is very good, by the way.

PM2K wrote:I thought I did.... but I guess I didn't make it clear. My bad... The video is very good, by the way.

It wasn't your imagination. I have no idea where the disk is any more but Meansink the video is pretty much the same audio as Meansink the audio file, which was shared with the Deep Sinking Yahoo Group (yes, that long ago!).

I did the original with Sound Forge. Y'know, I don't produce any more...but I thought that the sound in Vegas was just way too easy to master. Thanks, Dave, for clearing up that little mystery.

Nessie