Quicksand Fans

Are we rapidly moving in a direction where someone can place an order for a clip outlining every detail and an AI creator will supply it for a fee? A custom where there are no limits other than your imagination rather than live action models and the current format?

Would you favor AI or rather have a live model?

I mean... the AI thing is fun for someone like me, who has little wherewithal to create visuals, to just have fun with, but in general, there's never going to be a substitute for the real thing. I haven't got into the video side of AI at all, and while it does sound exciting to soon be able to for example, being some of stories to life, I don't see myself paying for it in the foreseeable future. "If," I ever had the disposable income to throw at a custom video, I'd probably throw in the direction of some of the producers here to make to real thing. On the other hand, if (or when) AI reaches the point where I can make a decent quality video for free without much fuss, I'd probably mess around with that for sure.

A similar example I've been messing about with recently: I found an AI speech site called ElevenlLabs that makes some very authentic sounding "voiceovers" I guess you could call it, but after signing up for what I thought was free, and playing with it for a few minutes, I quickly reached my monthly word limit (which I didn't notice at first), and as fun as it is, I won't be paying for it. I'll just wait for next month.

Considering what AI video generation currently can do. No, definitely not.
IF AI can deliver video that is truly indistinguishable from a real video. Still no.
IF the service comes at an affordable price. Still no.
IF I can run that AI locally on my own PC and do whatever I want with it. Count me in.

Those are a lot of big IFs. Despite the hype and all the investments into AI tech, I think we are still decades away from fulfilling just the first IF.

Aiko wrote:Considering what AI video generation currently can do. No, definitely not.
IF AI can deliver video that is truly indistinguishable from a real video. Still no.
IF the service comes at an affordable price. Still no.
IF I can run that AI locally on my own PC and do whatever I want with it. Count me in.

Those are a lot of big IFs. Despite the hype and all the investments into AI tech, I think we are still decades away from fulfilling just the first IF.

I thin Aiko makes some good points here. Given that the companies developing such software are spending enormous amounts of money on it, they are going to try to find a way to get that back. This will mean charging usage fees. I would expect those fees will be higher than what we do now.

Fred588 wrote:

Aiko wrote:Considering what AI video generation currently can do. No, definitely not.
IF AI can deliver video that is truly indistinguishable from a real video. Still no.
IF the service comes at an affordable price. Still no.
IF I can run that AI locally on my own PC and do whatever I want with it. Count me in.

Those are a lot of big IFs. Despite the hype and all the investments into AI tech, I think we are still decades away from fulfilling just the first IF.

I thin Aiko makes some good points here. Given that the companies developing such software are spending enormous amounts of money on it, they are going to try to find a way to get that back. This will mean charging usage fees. I would expect those fees will be higher than what we do now.

I didn’t take cost into my equation, but that’s an excellent point. At what price would someone pay for a custom AI creation. Yes, as others said, it can never take the place of real models. However, if the price were reasonable and you the buyer had full control of the content, would the buyer sacrifice the human element for the content catered to his or her needs?

By the way I enjoy the videos you produce. Keep
Up the good work. I look forward to your new creations.

Absolutely not. There is the whole issue of copyright, for one. And even if artificial intelligence can provide fully believable art, people will not flock to it right away. It'll take decades if not centuries before anything like that will happen.

My opinion is one of the shortcomings of the current crop of AIs is they have no long term memory. "Training" is completely separate from interaction; when we use an AI, it doesn't learn. For a single paragraph or image, or a very short video clip, that's not a major problem. But if you want to make a decent length video, or have an ongoing erotic roleplay, or even make a comic book without describing every image yourself, you'll quickly run into the AI's inability to handle an extended narrative.

Sparky81 wrote:Are we rapidly moving in a direction where someone can place an order for a clip outlining every detail and an AI creator will supply it for a fee? A custom where there are no limits other than your imagination rather than live action models and the current format?

Closer to it than I think most are aware.

Theo wrote:A similar example I've been messing about with recently: I found an AI speech site called ElevenlLabs that makes some very authentic sounding "voiceovers" I guess you could call it, but after signing up for what I thought was free, and playing with it for a few minutes, I quickly reached my monthly word limit (which I didn't notice at first), and as fun as it is, I won't be paying for it. I'll just wait for next month.

I had this particular system shown to me by mimicking my own voice. Except for using a couple of words that I wouldn't, I found it a convincing replica. They will let you tinker with it but it has genuine uses for those who need it. Disney payed James Earl Jones a substantial sum to use his voice in perpetuity. Mufasa and Darth Vader will be with us and they won't be repeating the same lines over and over. This level of performance will be available to the rankest of amateurs very soon.

Aiko wrote:IF I can run that AI locally on my own PC and do whatever I want with it. Count me in.

And there you hit it.

SinkerCutie wrote:Absolutely not. There is the whole issue of copyright, for one.

Copyright for AI is crap. I saw a fan who created their own AI models using photos I had taken. This guy was operating at a pretty high level. The photos he created were great and when I looked at them I could see my work in there...somewhere, sort of. It was a theme sort of. His AI was borrowing from me the same way producers borrow from Hollywood, Pete Boggs, and Tarzan. How do you copyright the entire internet?

ayria wrote:My opinion is one of the shortcomings of the current crop of AIs is they have no long term memory. "Training" is completely separate from interaction; when we use an AI, it doesn't learn. For a single paragraph or image, or a very short video clip, that's not a major problem. But if you want to make a decent length video, or have an ongoing erotic roleplay, or even make a comic book without describing every image yourself, you'll quickly run into the AI's inability to handle an extended narrative.

These are issues that are rapidly being put to bed. Sora is laid out to take an idea and write a script before putting as much as two minutes of video at a time out there. There's nothing tech that can't be solved and pretty soon at that. And there's a mind-blowing amount of money being thrown at this.

I'm in a weird zone with all this. For 27 years I've been a part of creating all manner of mud and quicksand fetish related media. At the same time I've really had a good time tinkering with all this AI stuff. We could go around and around about other issues but there's two undeniable things that will make AI a dominant creative force in all manner of entertainment but especially here.

1. You can do anything. YOU can create ANYTHING in your messed up mind. If it ain't entirely there yet, it will be soon. You want guys? Lesbians? Furries? Teenage catgirls? Eskimo babes with Lawrence of Arabia? Quicksand? Mud? Marshmallow fluff? A busload of cheerleaders? You can have anything. No other way to do that.

2. So many things at war against producers of the real thing. From piracy to talent that won't leave the house, it's getting more difficult for producers to work.

In a few years, very few, AI will be supplanted by AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) and you will be telling your phone what you want to see and getting it in seconds. The quality of the reproduction will be good enough to fool the unknowing. Not long after that it will be interactive and if you want to have a discussion with Marilyn Monroe as she sinks to her doom, you will. There is nothing in a real production that will replace that much. We aren't talking decades, we're talking a few years.

It'll be nice when AI undersands exactly what you want from a prompt and can create realistic photo and video that actually follows the prompt

Duncan Edwards wrote:In a few years, very few, AI will be supplanted by AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) and you will be telling your phone what you want to see and getting it in seconds. The quality of the reproduction will be good enough to fool the unknowing. Not long after that it will be interactive and if you want to have a discussion with Marilyn Monroe as she sinks to her doom, you will. There is nothing in a real production that will replace that much. We aren't talking decades, we're talking a few years.

I'll come back to you on this in 10 years. I expect that someone will claim to have developed an AGI by then, but that is about it.