The bugs in my head (tinnitus)

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Re: The bugs in my head (tinnitus)

Postby Fred588 » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:45 pm

I think you have a pretty good theory of the source of your symptoms. Injuries to the neck and spinal chord ARE mentioned in the Mayo Clinic page as related to some cases. There is another, related, theory that parts of the sensory cortex can be internally re-assigned in function, as in learning to interpret tactile sensation as vision. Perhaps ( and I am not neurologist) the parts of your sensory system that used to perceive input from your neck and throat are somehow getting re-assign to audition?

Caffeine stimulates, among other things, a part of the brain that regulates attention. That is why it used to be used as a treatment for ADD. If you drink coffee, or stop drinking coffee, does it have any effect on the tinnitus?

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Fred588 wrote:Speculatively, I would suggest that it be remembered that sensory PERCEPTION is the brain's interpretation of input, in this case presumably coming from the ear or ears. This should mean that while something to do with the ear itself MAY be involved (and be thus amenable to treatment) the symptom could be arising in the sensory cortex or in any other part of the very complex system of sensory perception. For example, there is a part of the brain that regulates how much we pay attention to certain input. This is why, for example, people who live on cow ranches will report they do not smell the cows until someone brings up the subject. If the symptom arises from anywhere other than the ears then treatments involving the ears will do nothing, except perhaps lighten one's wallet.


The working theory, as I've gleaned it from numerous available sources, seems to be that the brain does not like an absence of stimuli. So, if your hearing is damaged and you no longer are receiving that stimulus, or at least not enough of it, the brain compensates by fabricating a sound. There are other factors which can exacerbate tinnitus, including stress, but it is overwhelmingly tied to hearing loss. The brain compensates, of you want to call it that, by introducing perceived sound.

If there's a name for the overall phenomenon, I've not found it yet, but it seems to me that this is akin to people who have lost limbs having phantom sensations, or people who have gone blind "seeing" phantom colors. I have some nerve damage that rendered part of my neck and throat paralyzed. That area is numb, I can't feel any tactile sensation when I touch it, but sometimes it causes me pain.

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Re: The bugs in my head (tinnitus)

Postby dlodoski » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:52 am

Fred588 wrote:I thin k it was Dave who cited a gender factor and not me but that does agree with what you will find at the Mayo Clinic page I referred to.....

I should have shifted my parenthesis down the sentence a bit, because I was referring to permanent hearing loss, which is definitely something that affects men more than women.

I should also point out that the 'ringing in the ears' (temporary threshold shift) that one experiences after a loud concert is not the same ringing that tinnitus sufferers hear.

[There are actually three kinds of hearing loss, for those interested; permanent hearing loss (old deaf guys), temporary threshold shift (see above - not good to have happen a lot), and tympanic reflex (the quiet you experience after a loud bang).]

The coffee angle is something for me to consider. I think I'll drink extra today (why not? lol ) and see if it has an effect. :mrgreen:
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Re: The bugs in my head (tinnitus)

Postby Fred588 » Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:14 am

dlodoski wrote:
Fred588 wrote:I thin k it was Dave who cited a gender factor and not me but that does agree with what you will find at the Mayo Clinic page I referred to.....

I should have shifted my parenthesis down the sentence a bit, because I was referring to permanent hearing loss, which is definitely something that affects men more than women.

I should also point out that the 'ringing in the ears' (temporary threshold shift) that one experiences after a loud concert is not the same ringing that tinnitus sufferers hear.

[There are actually three kinds of hearing loss, for those interested; permanent hearing loss (old deaf guys), temporary threshold shift (see above - not good to have happen a lot), and tympanic reflex (the quiet you experience after a loud bang).]

The coffee angle is something for me to consider. I think I'll drink extra today (why not? lol ) and see if it has an effect. :mrgreen:


Bear in mind the effect could be in either direction.
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Re: The bugs in my head (tinnitus)

Postby Nessie » Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:12 am

I was so young when I noticed that there was noise in my ears even when there was no noise in the world that I never mentioned it to anyone. I was surprised to find out that not everybody has this and assumed that this was just how ears worked. My parents didn't even know that I had it until I was nearly grown up.

I tested out with very good hearing on standard school-issued hearing tests plus, one of my first jobs after college had heavy machinery onsite so they issued a test to everyone once a year. I passed with flying colors. So it wasn't caused by hearing loss.

Bugs at nighttime quicksand sites are much louder than the tinnitus. The hum of this computer also drowns it out but it sounds exactly like tinnitus, and therefore nothing changes if I shut it down.

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Re: The bugs in my head (tinnitus)

Postby EVysther » Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:46 pm

Musician here, I have a few things to add to this one...I spent a good portion of the early '80s blasting myself into the stratosphere with the likes of Sabbath, Priest, AC/DC and Maiden via my Sony Walkman, not to mention plenty of concerts without protection.

Iron Maiden, Chicago, March 1987, after show ringing never went away...add to that the years of practicing with amplification (I've played guitar for 37 years) although in these cases I wore protection playing live.

Drove me nuts first few months, but I learned to live with it and deal with it - like most folks here, I learned about masking and how not to antagonize it...I'm 50 now, and while I've lost a bit of the high end of my hearing (maybe 15-20% in both ears)- it bothers me in crowd situations more than anywhere, yet, oddly enough, in quiet rooms I can still hear pins hit the floor, believe it or not - I've also learned to be cautious and take care of what remains - I still play live and I still wear plugs, it has saved me a lot of grief...

When it gets really irritating, I've found that white noise is your best friend - a running fan, some sort of low electronic hum, anything to force the ears to shift their focus.
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Re: The bugs in my head (tinnitus)

Postby Fred588 » Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:15 pm

Since white noise has been suggested as helpful and also as several people here are reporting they have tinnitus, I have several lengthy recordings you can try if you wish. Most are of thunderstorms but there are several of just rain or the sound from a brook. Free by download. Just ask and provide an email address so I can send you a link.


EVysther wrote:Musician here, I have a few things to add to this one...I spent a good portion of the early '80s blasting myself into the stratosphere with the likes of Sabbath, Priest, AC/DC and Maiden via my Sony Walkman, not to mention plenty of concerts without protection.

Iron Maiden, Chicago, March 1987, after show ringing never went away...add to that the years of practicing with amplification (I've played guitar for 37 years) although in these cases I wore protection playing live.

Drove me nuts first few months, but I learned to live with it and deal with it - like most folks here, I learned about masking and how not to antagonize it...I'm 50 now, and while I've lost a bit of the high end of my hearing (maybe 15-20% in both ears)- it bothers me in crowd situations more than anywhere, yet, oddly enough, in quiet rooms I can still hear pins hit the floor, believe it or not - I've also learned to be cautious and take care of what remains - I still play live and I still wear plugs, it has saved me a lot of grief...

When it gets really irritating, I've found that white noise is your best friend - a running fan, some sort of low electronic hum, anything to force the ears to shift their focus.
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