Wrath of Khan - the REAL one

[Weapon X]

Amazing movie. I have yet to see the new one. It's on my wish list for Christmas...I'm sure it won't measure up to "Wrath of KAAHHHHHNNNNNNN", however.

[bbjohn]

Amazing movie. I have yet to see the new one. It's on my wish list for Christmas...I'm sure it won't measure up to "Wrath of KAAHHHHHNNNNNNN", however.

Am I mistaken, or is one of those cats a bobcat?

-Big Bad John

[Weapon X]

Amazing movie. I have yet to see the new one. It's on my wish list for Christmas...I'm sure it won't measure up to "Wrath of KAAHHHHHNNNNNNN", however.

Am I mistaken, or is one of those cats a bobcat?

-Big Bad John

You're not mistaken. This was posted on FB courtesy of George Takei, of Sulu fame.

[kham]

Haven't gotten around to seeing the latest one, it sounds fine although if I was running the new 'verse, I would not have been trying to just go where they have already gone, with minor changes. The whole point of an alternate timeline is you aint restricted by anything. Except the minds of the fans, and apparently the writers. The biggest problem newtrek faces, is that it DOES NOT have the 3 years of episodes and history of TOS. it is basically trying to do things upside-down. A hard row to hoe, even if they dont know it.

[Qsvgitguy]

The biggest problem newtrek faces, is that it DOES NOT have the 3 years of episodes and history of TOS. it is basically trying to do things upside-down. A hard row to hoe, even if they dont know it.

Very true. That's one of the big problems I've always had with any of the trek movies. Because a movie is a big event, they're always trying to be bigger, better, louder, and more intense than the last one. They don't have time to develop long intricate story lines. That's one of the reasons why WOK was so interesting, the fact that they went back to TOS to get an idea was very new back then.

Oh and Kham, IMHO, the new JJ Trek movies are NOT an alternate timeline. They are a total complete and utter REBOOT. I did of don't even consider these movies to be of the Star Trek I grew up on. They are a couple of okay movies that just happen to have a lot of characters with the same names.

I've never been a big fan of JJ. I lost interest in ALIAS after only a few episodes, LOST was a PhD dissertation on how to waste time, and Fringe was a bad X-Files ripoff.

In the Trek movies, Kirk isn't even Kirk. The Kirk of TOS was a consummate professional who had studies and worked hard all his life to get to be a Star Fleet Captain. Chris Pine's Kirk is a very simplistic caricature that we've seen a million times before. How many of you recognize... "He's a pain in the ass, but he's one hell of a _____" Insert whatever in the blank spot; Starship Captain, Fighter Pilot, Special Forces Guy, whatever.

[nachtjaeger]

Not fond of the "reboot" either. One problem the new films will face is that, like Sherlock Holmes fans, Trek fans are extremely fond of "The Canon", and love to discuss past episodes and series as if they are a living history. What, just going to toss all that in the dustbin? Sure, kick a huge, devoted fan base in the teeth.

As to movies not having time to develop intricate story lines, the series finale of ST:TNG was an incredible piece of work, very complex story line, and IMHO better than any of the TNG movies.

The biggest problem newtrek faces, is that it DOES NOT have the 3 years of episodes and history of TOS. it is basically trying to do things upside-down. A hard row to hoe, even if they dont know it.

Very true. That's one of the big problems I've always had with any of the trek movies. Because a movie is a big event, they're always trying to be bigger, better, louder, and more intense than the last one. They don't have time to develop long intricate story lines. That's one of the reasons why WOK was so interesting, the fact that they went back to TOS to get an idea was very new back then.

Oh and Kham, IMHO, the new JJ Trek movies are NOT an alternate timeline. They are a total complete and utter REBOOT. I did of don't even consider these movies to be of the Star Trek I grew up on. They are a couple of okay movies that just happen to have a lot of characters with the same names.

I've never been a big fan of JJ. I lost interest in ALIAS after only a few episodes, LOST was a PhD dissertation on how to waste time, and Fringe was a bad X-Files ripoff.

In the Trek movies, Kirk isn't even Kirk. The Kirk of TOS was a consummate professional who had studies and worked hard all his life to get to be a Star Fleet Captain. Chris Pine's Kirk is a very simplistic caricature that we've seen a million times before. How many of you recognize... "He's a pain in the ass, but he's one hell of a _____" Insert whatever in the blank spot; Starship Captain, Fighter Pilot, Special Forces Guy, whatever.

[kham]

There's some merit in that Qs, since the Kelvin looked like nothing we had ever seen before. And the Kirk they depicted WAS a complete ass, nothing at all like the man we saw who had been described as a real tightass at the academy. Someone who followed regulations to a fault. In fact, the only time I ever saw anything like THIS Kirk was in one fiction novel, I cannot remember the title -- it was not a piece of crap, but one of the key points in it was that it took the events of the book to snap Kirk out of his behavior (post-Kodos by a year or so) and back to the academy track he had always wanted. Our Kirk got a commendation for original thinking; this one just engaged "god mode" in the shoot-em-up.....

[QuicksandMania]

Star Trek Movie Memories by William Shatner offers an excellent synopsis of how producer Harve Bennett rescued the movie franchise after the critically panned Star Trek: The Motion Picture threatened any sequels despite its commercial success. Bennett originated the idea of a second battle with Khan after watching TOS from first to last episode. Director Nicholas Meyer not only whipped a winning script together in twelve days for the second ST film, but his previous film Time After Time so impressed Montalban that he signed onto the project despite his initial reluctance. The rest is history.

I was disappointed the second reboot movie used an Anglo rather than Latino actor for Khan. Cumberpatch is a fine actor but I never felt he suited the role of Khan. Surely JJ could have located someone at least remotely resembling a young Ricardo Montalban in appearance and voice and acting abilities.

[kham]

You just nailed why Trek collapsed and had to be rebooted;

Bragga and Berman were complete clueless fuckwads who treated the fans like shit and did not respect the 'verse or the established canon. Meyer studied the entire series, and THAT EPISODE in near monomaniacal detail. He knew what worked in Trek, and what did not. His work made everything that came after possible. The fuckhead twins, killed the golden goose. That they were incapable of producing cartoons had been evident for years, but Paramount didnt give a shit as long as money kept rolling in. Congrats; being the only producers of Trek to get it cancelled since the 60s boy, thats a real booster for your resume!

[DangerGirl]

Enterprise could have been just what the doctor ordered for the foundering ST franchise. What should have been a rolicking, episodic, adventure-a-week show about exploration and discovery turned into a largely tedious grand-story arc every season. It had its moments (the Andorian, Mirror Universe, and "why the Klingons lost their ridges" episodes were pretty good), but dear God, the "Temporal Cold War" arc that dogged the entire series was just unbearable and totally inappropriate for a show about Earth's first steps into interstellar exploration.

I always thought the Mirror Universe would lend itself well to its own series. Let us root for some bad guys for a change.