Re: Of concern...

[bart1997]

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[Duncan Edwards]

I have a some similar, peripheral, interests to what we do here. The big difference is that I would never anonymously try to procure two young girls for sadistic mayhem. While we might tag this guy as an overzealous fetishist that we can sort of understand, I'd just call him an idiot. It's really not THAT difficult to meet a grown woman that will share most any interest you have.

[Billie Bonce]

This is the second time I read about a man who was convicted in the U.S.A. for the crime he never committed. It's horrible. Of course, there are many people who will throw stones at this man, but I'm shivering at the thoughts about the possibility of such a trial.

There are some basic principles. No dead body - no murder. No victim - no rape. The man even never talked with a potential victim. He talked with a special agent who provoked him.

The former case was pretty much similar. A man was convicted for an attempt of having sex with an underage girl. Actually he talked via the Internet with no girl, but with FBI special agent. FBI provided evidence that the man previously already attempted to find an underage girl to have sex with her. In the process of the trial it was discovered that both girls whom he contacted previously were no girls as well. They were FBI agents, too. That means, the man never talked with any real girl, the man never had sex with any underage girl, and his erotic fantasies were intentionally provoked by FBI agents. The result? Absurd. The man was convicted.

Listen, guys, your country was an example of judicial system to the whole world. Now I see too many examples of horrible obscurantism.

EDIT: I agree with Duncan that the man is an idiot. I think the fact that he pleaded guilty leaves no doubts in it.

[Duncan Edwards]

No Billie, this man committed a crime. He attempted to buy the lives of two children. You can't do that here not even playing. There is a different standard reserved for protecting those who are presumed to be too innocent to protect themselves. If he had negotiated the deal directly with a willing adult that would be a different matter as it never would have been raised. What he ran into was not a law enforcement figure that cared about his fetish but about a man who was declaring himself to be a sexual predator. He knew in advnace that his victims would be underage and unwilling. That is what got him in trouble.

[Billie Bonce]

I'm seriously interested in how many FBI agents are on this forum.

[bart1997]

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[Duncan Edwards]

I'm seriously interested in how many FBI agents are on this forum.

None.

I'd be staggered if anyone, anywhere in the US, in law enforcement was even aware this place existed. First of all there is nothing of interest, nothing illegal, nothing useful to them here. Then just do the numbers regarding the very finite number of police available for such a purpose and the millions of hardcore porn, terrorist, leftist, rightist, anarchist, jihadist, websites. Then add all of the regular "normal" criminal activity such as hacking, extortion, fraud, counterfiting, etc. that goes on the internet and there is no way that a handful of FBI agents could monitor such a mess even if they wanted to. And I'm leaving out all of the obvious civil liberties issues that would make acting on such information a legal tangle for even the most dedicated federal agent. If they can't watch drug houses, brothels, gangsters, etc. where everyone knows there is a crime going on then why would they waste their precious resources looking for nothing?

[Mynock]

This is the second time I read about a man who was convicted in the U.S.A. for the crime he never committed. It's horrible. Of course, there are many people who will throw stones at this man, but I'm shivering at the thoughts about the possibility of such a trial.

He was charged and pleaded guilty to attempted sex crimes (of various nature).
Agents who work undercover on these kinds of cases have very stict rules about how they are allowed to communicate with the scum. They don't initiate contact, they don't lead them on (it's illegal for them to do so). This guy did it to himself, all on his own, and if he had been talking to someone other then an FBI agent he would've surely gone through with what he planned to do, namely have sex with children (lets call these pre-teens what they actually are) while drowning them.
What I find really disturbing is that the bastard only got 20 years. If it were up to me they'd get a bullet in the head after the trial was over.

[Billie Bonce]

If we combine this

Then just do the numbers regarding the very finite number of police available for such a purpose and the millions of hardcore porn, terrorist, leftist, rightist, anarchist, jihadist, websites. Then add all of the regular "normal" criminal activity such as hacking, extortion, fraud, counterfiting, etc. that goes on the internet and there is no way that a handful of FBI agents could monitor such a mess even if they wanted to.

and this

Agents who work undercover on these kinds of cases have very stict rules about how they are allowed to communicate with the scum. They don't initiate contact, they don't lead them on (it's illegal for them to do so).

we should conclude that this

The former case was pretty much similar. A man was convicted for an attempt of having sex with an underage girl. Actually he talked via the Internet with no girl, but with FBI special agent. FBI provided evidence that the man previously already attempted to find an underage girl to have sex with her. In the process of the trial it was discovered that both girls whom he contacted previously were no girls as well. They were FBI agents, too.

couldn't take place at all. The probability would be too low. However,
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/daniel/
So I suspect at least one of those whom I quoted is wrong

(it took me some time to find this link which I lost long ago, but the results of the search demonstrated that there are tons of those undercover cops there - just try it )

[Mynock]

Actually, the sad, sad truth is that there are so many of these scumbags out there trolling for underage girls that, yes, it is likely an undercover cop can just randomly log onto a chat room intended for teens and find some 40 year old guy trying to make contact. Scary, isn't it? If I ever have kids, they won't be allowed to use the internet with any kind of privacy till they're at least 18 or so.