Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby quagmire_uk » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:32 am

Ah apologies, made the silly illogical leap that since you're also a moderator you would have seen it. Oops. :oops:

The whole reason I started arguing about this thing is that ipkus1 said she was 18, and then in the very next post dlodoski's said that according to wikipedia Kim Possible is not 18.

So I decided to check wikipedia myself, and the only thing I could find on age was a thing saying "her age is uncertain", which pointed out that the final episodes were her graduating from high school. And I figured "well, I was 18 when I graduated, so... doesn't that mean she's 18? Or at least, 17 and 11 months or something?"

We don't know what dlodoski might have said in response to my find, as then you posted, and had the authority of being a parent have having considerable knowledge of Kim Possible. And you said it's a kid's show and she's underage 99% of the time in the series.

Do you consider 16 and 17 year old cartoon characters to be underage? 16 is the age of consent. Sure, a REAL woman would have to be 18 before it was legal for her to be in pornography, but you can't "exploit" a 16 or 17 year old cartoon character, what with them being fictional and all. If a cartoon character is supposedly old enough to be able to have sex with her friends if she so wanted, then I figure she's old enough to be in someone's dirty picture too.

But, if even a cartoon character's age must be 18+, I still don't see a problem, since she does hit that age in the show, and the original post said "she's 18", indicating that it is a picture of the 18-year-old Kim.

As I said at the start, I'm not that familiar with Kim Possible, everything I've said has been based on about one hour of internet research. And I don't have the perspective of a parent watching it with children. I'd expect that 90% of this forum isn't that familiar with Kim Possible either. We just see "high school girl", and we all know that at some point schoolgirls hit 18 and become "fair game" (if I may be so vulgar). Given that she spends a quarter of the show in "senior year", and the finale is her graduating from high school, it would seem like it doesn't take an imaginative leap to say "Kim Possible is 18". Indeed, even the factfile on the "Kim Possible wiki" says she is 18.

In theory a cartoon character's "actual age" in the show shouldn't matter, cause he/she is a fictional cartoon character. He/she has no real age, and it is easy enough to imagine an older version of that character. In the case of Kim Possible it turns out that isn't even necessary, since she hits that age in the show itself and still looks like the same-old Kim Possible. (And like her 35-year old mum.) So no magical reinvention required.

I'm really not that bothered about Kim Possible, but I was worried of a slippery slope where all kinds of characters from various TV shows and comics and games become off-limits because of questions of age. The way I see it, if it is a live-action show then really all that matters is the actual age of the actor/actress, rather than the character. If if it is a character from a cartoon or anime or game or book, then it just takes a bit of imagination to age the character a year or two. So the age of the chracter in the show, and who the show was aimed for, shouldn't be an issue.

Batman: The Animated Series and Superman: The Animated Series were on Saturday Morning Television but Harley Quinn, Lois Lane, Zatanna, Supergirl and Batgirl and several other female characters were really, really hot. Most of those characters were definately adults, but there's the chance that perhaps one of them was "actually" 17 years old or something. How old was Supergirl? Or Batgirl? I'm not sure, I think they may have been supposed to be "high school age". Though I think Batgirl appeared in several seasons and in later seasons was in college. So... I guess she's OK. But what about Supergirl? If according to the official lore she was 17, Does that mean Supergirl is off-limits?

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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby Billie Bonce » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:36 pm

UberGaijin wrote:IIRC, looking at the Japanese reason, it's because Rei and those damn Moonites are viewed as more innocent, pure, virginal when you get right down to it, than the older, more experienced Faye Valentine. Japanese men (and the society in general, I think) place a high value on the concept of purity and youth in general. And the hentai doujinshi writers apparently really want to "get a piece of that", if I may be so crude.

I think you're right.

The same mechanism with various supergirls. She's tough? OK, let she go into a deeeeeep trouble.
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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby cnelson566 » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:30 pm

I got the answer! Just replace Kimmy with Drew the hottie mom from Secret Saturdays :D Yep,it's a plug,but being a mom,she's definately over the "legal limit"...and she's cute as all get-out

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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby quagmire_uk » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:31 am

That's not a bad idea, given that Kim looks like a slightly-taller clone of her mum!

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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby PM2K » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:32 am

Or one could do this... ;)

Meet Kim. She's a cosplayer who loves Kim Possible. When she was 21, her boyfriend talked her into wading into quicksand for the first time and she really enjoyed it. Then she decided to set up a saucy picture of herself for his birthday... a gift from her to him.
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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby Nessie » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:23 am

PM2K wrote:Meet Kim.


Hey, that's all right. Have a phantom kudo for creative thinking!

By the way, I don't envy the mods on this. I don't think making decisions on flesh-and-blood humans is very difficult but given the outlandish proportions of many cartoons, not to mention the furry genre and all the artists who add extras (like elf ears and tails and stuff)...and the fashion of drawing those babyish, big-eyed, round-cheeked faces on those very adult bodies...

I think most cartoon characters still manage to give off either a post-pubescent vibe or a childish one. On my old Yahoo group, I went with, "If it's post-pubescent, in the body anyway, and it's a cartoon, it's okay."

(Back to the clerk in the convenience store thing...if I didn't KNOW, I'd err on the side of leniency.)

Nobody ever asked me, though, to cut off cartoon characters if they were below age 18. And I got to admit, if they had, I wouldn't know where to draw the line.

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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby UberGaijin » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:09 am

PM2K wrote:Or one could do this... ;)

Meet Kim. She's a cosplayer who loves Kim Possible. When she was 21, her boyfriend talked her into wading into quicksand for the first time and she really enjoyed it. Then she decided to set up a saucy picture of herself for his birthday... a gift from her to him.


Yeah, that kinda works. :)

Nessie wrote:...and the fashion of drawing those babyish, big-eyed, round-cheeked faces on those very adult bodies...


Oy! I resemble that remark! ...at least with the big eyes :shock: ...never thought the faces were all that excessively round-cheeked though.

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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby Nessie » Fri May 01, 2009 3:02 am

UberGaijin wrote:Oy! I resemble that remark! ...at least with the big eyes :shock: ...never thought the faces were all that excessively round-cheeked though.


Well, you do it a bit, but yours aren't totally unreasonable.

I mean stuff like this.

http://userstyles.org/styles/6846

Or this.

http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/uplo ... screen.jpg

How about this?

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/pro ... os/111332/

I mean, you guys can fake with 'em if you want, I don't care...they're even kind of cute, just...EYEBALLS!

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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby UberGaijin » Fri May 01, 2009 11:33 am

The first and the third link show styles that I like, but generally do not draw. The second link...*hrk*! They have huge eyes...but no waist...NO HIPS! Just large thighs splitting out from a mosquito's thorax! It's like Chun Li taken to an extreme...and without the giant man-hands...

The one on the right I find excessively excessive...

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Re: Kim Possible in Quicksand (adult)

Postby Nessie » Sat May 02, 2009 4:41 am

UberGaijin wrote:The first and the third link show styles that I like, but generally do not draw. The second link...*hrk*!


Yeah, I like that one the least too. I think those two schoolgirls (schoolsluts?) are a couple of mutants.

I think the maid one is pretty, actually, just, I'm a middle-aged woman, to me her face looks extremely juvenile. I'm not against all stylization, just, I prefer it applied with a bit less distortion than that. The bunny girl, uh, same story on the face, I don't think she's quite as complex as a work of art though...but her expression almost begs to get her plunked into a bog.

By the way, we've been sinking similar characters for years, on the Deep Sinking "anime girls" threads, and the sky hasn't exactly fallen down around us.

In fact, I'd just as soon we don't get into trying to police it too severely since frankly...if you want to spit out a number to represent the age of every one of these characters, there's just a bit of room for argument here.

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