Kaol's sinking hole

[Acidtester]

The day I found Kaol’s ol’ Sinking Hole, in 1999, was possibly the best day of my life!

[BogDog]

I recall reading an article that explained why it was impossible for telephone lines to run faster than 9600 so the internet would be a high speed telegraph key for a long time.

I had to research that just now. Apparently that was true long ago, so perhaps an old article?

This is what th' dawg sniffed out. I learned something new today:

While 9600 bps was once considered a high-speed limit for modems in the 1980s, telephone line technology evolved significantly to reach speeds far exceeding that rate.
Here is the breakdown of how telephone line speeds evolved:

9600 bps (1980s): Early high-speed modems (such as V.32 standard) operated at 9600 bps, which was the limit for that generation of technology.

33.6 kbps and 56k (1990s): Later dial-up standards, such as V.34 (33.6 kbps) and V.90/V.92 (56 kbps), dramatically increased speeds over standard analog phone lines by exploiting digital infrastructure.

DSL (2000s and beyond): Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) technology allows standard copper telephone pairs to transfer data at speeds from 1 Mbps to well over 100 Mbps by using a higher frequency spectrum that does not interfere with voice calls.

Physical Constraints vs. Speed: While there is a theoretical limit (Shannon limit) on how much data can pass through a telephone wire, that limit is in the megabits per second (Mbps) range, not kilobits, depending on the length and quality of the copper line.

[Fred588]

I recall reading an article that explained why it was impossible for telephone lines to run faster than 9600 so the internet would be a high speed telegraph key for a long time.

I had to research that just now. Apparently that was true long ago, so perhaps an old article?

This is what th' dawg sniffed out. I learned something new today:

While 9600 bps was once considered a high-speed limit for modems in the 1980s, telephone line technology evolved significantly to reach speeds far exceeding that rate.
Here is the breakdown of how telephone line speeds evolved:

9600 bps (1980s): Early high-speed modems (such as V.32 standard) operated at 9600 bps, which was the limit for that generation of technology.

33.6 kbps and 56k (1990s): Later dial-up standards, such as V.34 (33.6 kbps) and V.90/V.92 (56 kbps), dramatically increased speeds over standard analog phone lines by exploiting digital infrastructure.

DSL (2000s and beyond): Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) technology allows standard copper telephone pairs to transfer data at speeds from 1 Mbps to well over 100 Mbps by using a higher frequency spectrum that does not interfere with voice calls.

Physical Constraints vs. Speed: While there is a theoretical limit (Shannon limit) on how much data can pass through a telephone wire, that limit is in the megabits per second (Mbps) range, not kilobits, depending on the length and quality of the copper line.

This is only indirectly related to the discussion about speeds, and nothing at all to do with Kaol's it may be enlightening to some of the younger members here, as it shows how far we have come.

In 1982, I finished writing my doctoral dissertation, which totalled 128 double-spaced pages when typed. I wrote it on an Apple II+ computer, which had only a 40 column display and used white on green for upper-case letters. I could print it at home with the right numner of characters per line and actual capitol letter, but to do that I only had a dot matrix printer. The file sizes were limited to 16 kilobytes each as I recall, so five files were required for the whole thing. To get it printed in an acceptable quality, the first things I had to do was log to what they called the mainframe computer at the university I taught at and upload the five files over a 300 baud model. [That's 30 characters per second., so it took quite a while. Then I had to personally visit the university computer center and arrange to have the five files printed using the ONLY letter-quality (daisy wheel) printer on the entire campus of 8000 students. After that I collectd the ouotput, proof-read it one more time, and used Fed-EX to ship it to the university where I was a student. Anywaay, it was cheaper than hiring a typist, which I had to do for my Master's.

[Duncan Edwards]

While 9600 bps was once considered a high-speed limit for modems in the 1980s, telephone line technology evolved significantly to reach speeds far exceeding that rate.
Here is the breakdown of how telephone line speeds evolved:

9600 bps (1980s): Early high-speed modems (such as V.32 standard) operated at 9600 bps, which was the limit for that generation of technology.

33.6 kbps and 56k (1990s): Later dial-up standards, such as V.34 (33.6 kbps) and V.90/V.92 (56 kbps), dramatically increased speeds over standard analog phone lines by exploiting digital infrastructure.

DSL (2000s and beyond): Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) technology allows standard copper telephone pairs to transfer data at speeds from 1 Mbps to well over 100 Mbps by using a higher frequency spectrum that does not interfere with voice calls.

Physical Constraints vs. Speed: While there is a theoretical limit (Shannon limit) on how much data can pass through a telephone wire, that limit is in the megabits per second (Mbps) range, not kilobits, depending on the length and quality of the copper line.

That as very long ago back in the early 90's. A PC wasn't even equipped to push data out of a serial port faster than that before the advent of high speed UART chips. Remember having to have a 16550 UART? I spent a fortune to get an ISDN connection that would pour data at 128K if both channels were bonded and the other end could handle it. It was hailed as the future until DSL came along. From the days of moving punch cards at 110 baud when I was in college you could see what the trend was. Now even our far flung studio locations like Studio 588 and Camp MPV have fiber that is hundreds of times faster than my early DSL. I have STARLINK satellite, thank you Elon Musk, at my farm in rural Tennessee that gets me 200-300 meg download with very low latency. The same system provides gigabyte speeds to aircraft and cruise ships. Then there's 5G phones. Anyhow, we've definitely topped 9600 bps for a while now. And we don't even need wires.

[Theophile1]

Holy crap! This takes me back!


https://web.archive.org/web/20030206221 ... quicksand/

Oh dude. The Quicksand Page in it's original 1995 version was responsible for a lifetime alteration of my universe. As that scrolled down at 2400 baud, my heart was in my throat. I got dizzy. I literally did not sleep for the next three days as I searched the entire web for more. It's been my life's work ever since. Religion would be envious.

You pretty much described my feelings to a "T" when I first stumbled upon a Pete Boggs and Mud Puddle Visuals black and white ad in the back of a Fem Fatales magazine (Which who interestingly enough featured both Brinke Stevens in the ad AND as the cover of the magazine itself).

My first thoughts was "Wait! So this IS a thing? I MUST know more!"

At the risk of being a thread necromancer, what month year was that magazine? We might be able to find it if we look hard enough. Google hasn't turned into TOTAL garbage yet, despite their best efforts.

Faq! It was a while ago. We are talking the days of Tower Records still being around BUT…

Let me do some searching. That mag had a pretty good cult following amongst many circles including horror fan fic, wrestling and DiD peeps. I am sure there is a PDF version somewhere out there.

Also, I do have a couple of copies in storage however, I am gonna be real honest with everyone, I am not looking forward to digging for it. We are literally going back nearly 25+ years ago

Take your time, friend. I understand, we're all busy living life. All I need is if it was published the US or UK or somewhere else, and maybe the year. I should be able to find it. Feel free to keep us posted.

[TK421]

Holy crap! This takes me back!


https://web.archive.org/web/20030206221 ... quicksand/

Oh dude. The Quicksand Page in it's original 1995 version was responsible for a lifetime alteration of my universe. As that scrolled down at 2400 baud, my heart was in my throat. I got dizzy. I literally did not sleep for the next three days as I searched the entire web for more. It's been my life's work ever since. Religion would be envious.

You pretty much described my feelings to a "T" when I first stumbled upon a Pete Boggs and Mud Puddle Visuals black and white ad in the back of a Fem Fatales magazine (Which who interestingly enough featured both Brinke Stevens in the ad AND as the cover of the magazine itself).

My first thoughts was "Wait! So this IS a thing? I MUST know more!"

At the risk of being a thread necromancer, what month year was that magazine? We might be able to find it if we look hard enough. Google hasn't turned into TOTAL garbage yet, despite their best efforts.

Faq! It was a while ago. We are talking the days of Tower Records still being around BUT…

Let me do some searching. That mag had a pretty good cult following amongst many circles including horror fan fic, wrestling and DiD peeps. I am sure there is a PDF version somewhere out there.

Also, I do have a couple of copies in storage however, I am gonna be real honest with everyone, I am not looking forward to digging for it. We are literally going back nearly 25+ years ago

Take your time, friend. I understand, we're all busy living life. All I need is if it was published the US or UK or somewhere else, and maybe the year. I should be able to find it. Feel free to keep us posted.

It was definitely a US publication and the Internet Archive has a handsome bunch for viewing. It really was a great magazine for its time period for those of us who love our “Final Girl”, Bond Girl, Scream Queen Vixen types .

Sadly all the ones I have been running across online have the ads section omitted which is a shame really. Those ads hold a ton of history in them alone. One of the most renowned Female Wrestling resellers/producers, L Scott Sales used to run ads in it right next to Wave Productions and Steel Kittens. All mail order, of course