What do you (or not) like in your Quicksand vids

[Antares]

I've actually never noticed the camera clicks... Thanks very much for everyone pointing this out as I'm sure going to notice them from now on.

I'll also second Quicksand_Hex's comment on coverage. I don't like it when faces/ hair get covered but I also don't like it when someone moves from one pit to the next and actually sinks while previously muddy.

Good grief I'm particular about things I guess I've been spoiled. You producers only have yourselves to blame

[Fred588]

I've actually never noticed the camera clicks... Thanks very much for everyone pointing this out as I'm sure going to notice them from now on.

I suspect this is why entertainment critics are so widely reviled.... They point out all the things they don't like so as to spoil them for many who would never have otherwise noticed.

[PM2K]

Cool thread, but it reminds me of the parable of the blind men trying to describe an elephant using only their sense of touch. No one is going to agree with everything.

That isn't a bad thing. We all have different tastes, different expectations of what we want in a quicksand scene. Some like slow buildups, others can't wait to get to the bog. Some want achingly slow sinkings from ankles to neck, some want peat, some want clay, some like the Hollywood qs, some hate it when it is watery. In short, there isn't a simple formula for everyone. But there doesn't have to be. No one scene is ever going to satisfy everyone.

Here are my two cents.

Full disclosure: I'm into dramatic sinkings moreso than the erotic ones. I prefer submergences and grim endings to anything else. I believe in the power of actresses to sell the scene, whether they be sinking in mud, peat, clay, oatmeal or dirty water. While I prefer thick, sloppy peat, I think all scenes can be entertaining as long as the ladies are convincing. Fortunately, we fans do have a lot of talent to watch and choose from on that score.

Clothing isn't really important. Certain outfits are nice: shorts and t-shirts, safari gear, or whatever serves the scene and the storyline best. Logic bombs like high heels in a swamp/jungle aren't mood killers provided there is a good reason behind it. (Again, preferring the drama end of things). Slow build ups don't bother me... again, as long as it serves the story. If it seems to be taking too long, I just fast forward through them.

Bondage... why not? Again, depends how the actress plays it.

Methods of entering the bog/qs again doesn't really bother me as long as it is logical to the story. Someone wandering in accidentally during a hike, say, are going to sink differently than someone who is running full tilt into it, or falling from a height. I think slow sinks, or sudden plunges to thighs, hips, waist or chest all work for me. (In fact, in my mudding days, I did have such things happen at various times, so it isn't a big shock to me to see it on screen.)

Having said that as the basis of my qs belief system, here's my likes and dislikes...

Likes: submergences, bubbles (or gurgles) afterwards. Last glimpses of hands, eyes, etc. So important to be able to see the sinker's face as she vanishes under. Heavy breathing, struggling including clawing at the muck is all great. Grabbing at vines, grass, branches just add more to the scene. Yelling for help, whimpering of terror, all good. The actresses. The costumes, or lack of... Just about everything, frankly, from all producers.

Dislikes: ANYTHING which breaks the illusion. Camera clicks, if they overwhelm the stillness of a quiet scene. Glimpses of tarp or liner for the pits. Some early Camp MPV scenes the blue liner is quite visible on the edges of the pit, and in a couple of cases, the elbow joint of the pipe used (I presume) to keep the pit warm can be seen. Ditto foam mats which are used to slow the descent of the sinkers... the edges which pop up elicit a small "Argh!" from me. I can say, though, these problems have been solved, as they are no longer an issue.

Overacting or underacting. Again, MUCH less of an issue now than in the past. There had been times I had to hit the mute button a few times due to the screechiness of some ladies in the pit. Or when the performer is obviously not engaged in the scene at all. It just spoils things.

I'll stress again, the last point hasn't been a serious problem in the last 10 years. Your talent scouts should take a bow for finding such wonderful performers. All have been excellent.

[James diGriz]

I am also more for the dramatic side of scenes.

Great storylines. If the scene has some time padded into it, but contains a great story that is acted out, then it is worth it.

Great acting. We have seen some greats in the last few years. Ludella Hahn, Christina Carter, Candle, and many more. If the actress is worth seeing not in a scene, she is worth seeing in a scene. This goes to lines and physical actions.

Drama. Damsel in distress, the best way to put it. This is a combination of actress and story. Having been raised on the old serials and radio plays, I know if I can close my eyes and see the scene in my head, it is definitely a keeper.

"Quicksand". Yes, it is in quotes. Using the word itself, the realization that she is in quicksand and calls for help because she is in quicksand. It does help sell the scene.

Costuming. Some people say less is more. To me, not so much in costuming. Yes, I have an affinity for a nice dress, heels, and nylons. However, one thing that can kill it is straight nudity. Unless the storyline calls for it(escaping a villain who was about to molest her) it doesn't work that well. Also, some of these models are great cosplayers (Ludella has a nice variety of costumes she's been in) Seeing a heroine, or a favorite character in there would melt a heart.

Situational awareness. Not having any. It's not a big issue now, but the actress running towards the bog, and then stopping, and putting her foot slowly out to test it is really a killer. "Radar foot" is just something that will kill a scene. Yes the actress knows where she is headed. But if she is running through the swamp/jungle, then stops right before the pool, it does kill things.

Landscaping. If you have a jungle that is a lot of dirt, except for this very convenient area of white clay and liner, then the set is a bit too obvious. There have been scenes where they are in the 'middle of nowhere', but you can see a house next to the pit. The suspension of disbelief just hung itself there. The hollywood pools can be the exception, provided the surrounding area is grass, and you can't see dirt/linings. Even indoor sets can look great. One of my favorite scenes is the O-Girl scene.

This is just my .02, and while it's been said by others, yes we don't agree on it all. For me, one or two really good elements can allow other things to be overlooked.

[spunkee311]

1. Camera noises, etc. anything that breaks the immersion for the model and me.
2. The model battling against bugs, twigs, etc. She can't act if she can't think straight.
3. I like story. I like drama. But, I also want to get to the point. no intro story should go on and on and on and on
4. At some point the model should be shocked and say "Quicksand!" or something along these lines. "I'm Sinking in Quicksand", "Somebody Help, Quicksand" something to make me realize that she's in peril and not just having a fun time at a mud spa.
5. Nudity should be explained: She's a jungle girl, She was heading to her favorite spot at skinny dipper's creek, While fleeing a pursuer Her clothes catch on something or the pursuer grabs the cloth - either way, to escape she takes it off to further her escape.
6. While I love "Sinking about you" videos, I don't love them as much as that bit of peril and drama. I think many such erotic sinks could be improved with a bit more drama/story and peril.
7. I absolutely never want to see or hear a guy. not even a Charlie brown parents warble.
8. a quicksand video with drama and peril shouldn't have a cheerful musical number as an intro. it should set the mood. Like the "Quicksand girl - quicksand captive" Jungle girl does a wet scene, and then stumbles into quicksand. imagine if the beginning or end of the clip had "HAPPY-HAPPY-POKE'MON" jingle... Total Immersion killer.
9. Peanut butter Vs. Chocolate: they may be two great tastes, but this does not mean ANYTHING and EVERYTHING can be mixed with the quicksand fetish. Seriously, Somethings work great together... Somethings just do not.
Some people like tattoos, I don't. An aging model with a "Bit extra to love" and gore tattoos - No. I will pass.
10. MOMdels. Really, do I have to explain this one? If she could be my MOM or one of my mom's friends -> Just no. no no no.
20's, 30's, awesome! 40's pushing it. 50's, and beyond... NNNNnnnnnoooooooooooo!

Somethings are just me. Producers are going to make whatever they can. I mean no offense to anyone, I just wanted to get this of my chest.

This is pretty dead on! Its like you read my mind.

[spunkee311]

OK to put my purchasing history in context:

I've bought various VHS tapes (from MPV and Wave video), DVDs from MPV (before digital downloads were a thing) and more clips than I can count from (mostly) MPV (117 from club MPV alone), a fair few from DIDVP directly via Clips4sale, a handful from Fred and one or two from Quicksandgirls and the other site hosted by the same person.

I even bought the Devilclown DVD (although I had to wait till the downloads were offered to see it ) and a Loch Ness clip. I was a big fan of some of the girls from Pamela Rose Productions too but bought exclusively via Club MPV.

LIKES:
1) Basic sinks with no back story. I don't care at all about how they got there and I always skip the entire story and go for the main course.
2) Dramatic scenes
3) Dresses. In fact I prefer the actresses to be clothed in general. I'd also love to see some more girls in jogging/ running gear.
4) "Moderate" speed sinks. Plunging to anything deeper than butt deep is a waste of my money IMO.
5) Arms being plunged in and stuck to sides with no chance of them ever coming back out is always nice as a sink progresses
6) Nice thick mud - brown like the colour of earth. The old MPV vids like Horserider had this down to an art form (or was that just Lena who was astoundingly good at sinking?)
7) Struggling
8) Gritted teeth (see struggling to get out) and physical exertion.
9) Pretty girls between 25 - 40 are my favorite.
10) Blonde girls.

DISLIKES:
A) A running commentary from the actresses. I'd prefer the grunts and groans of a struggle only.
B) Everything but dramatic scenes
C) Jungle girl outfits. Don't like them. Also don't like hats as they cover the eyes.
D) Rescues of any nature
E) Any indication that the actress can "rise up" from any depth. When they are at a depth the ONLY way is down, never up. This is my biggest dislike I think.
F) Watery quicksand. I'm not a big fan of hollywood quicksand for example as it's (to me) too much like sawdust on water (which I realise is the point but I very rarely buy those scenes nowadays)
G) Overhead views. Can't gauge depth and can't see the sinking.
H) Removing the camera focus from the hips/ butt/ breasts while the actress sinks. Happens so often I think that it's deliberate See overhead views above^
I) "Costumes" like pirate costumes and the like.

I could go on and on but I'll leave it at this for the time being.

#5 on your list of likes is huge that i Love!. I wish more models would put their hands inside the mud and to their side while they are sinking and have them stuck there. That's actually why I have been a fan of jumpoffjoe's stuff lately because most of the models do that!

And I agree with your dislike F) Watery quicksand is my biggest gripe and complaint! Gotta have thick mud. Its a must.

[nachtjaeger]

Hard for me to pin it down. I like a lot of different scenes. I like the "say" scenes where the model talks to the camera. I like a story with the scene, with the quicksand as the climax of the drama (have a real great one planned to shoot.) I like erotic scenes (I do, after all have a Y chromosome) but I prefer the sort where the Lady ends up in the mud by accident, or for some other reason than to play in it, then discovers how good it feels.
One scene I would like to see is with two models who get stuck in a bog, then sink very slowly. Instead of panicking, though, they think rationally about it- it's just a bog, they won't really get sucked under, they can work their way out of it. They don't really start to panic until they realize that the laws of physics seem to have been suspended, they don't seem to have float points, and for some unexplained reason it really feels like the bog is somehow pulling at their legs. . .
Oh, and probably my favorite scenes are models who actually enjoy the feel of the mud doing a "first time" scene (whether it's their first time or not.)

[water_bug_62208]

I'm particularly fond of, Late for Work, since Mike was kind enough to make it for me as a custom shoot, and because Ludella was sexy (gorgeous face, great body, and outstandily sexy legs), sexily dressed (tank topm thong bikini briefs, and white sneakers are sexy on a woman), and did a most outstanding job in her most convincing performance... camera clicks and all. I've been into Quicksand Videos since 2000, and hearing camera clicks in the background is simply part of the deal, as far as I'm concern... I'm more into into the storyline the producer is portraying, the content, and the performance of the Quicksand Model. And, I find the quality of the videos and performance of the models have gone up impressively over the years... and, I still love going back to the older material and watching them over and over again as it's the producers (such as Kaol and Dave's MPV) and the models (such as Ann Howe and Kristine Lynn) who made these productions sing... and, they did it with mud and nature, both of which sometimes didn't cooperate.

I concur with PM2K... to each his or her own. We all have our likes and dislikes... and, I feel we all should be greatful for the efforts put forth by the producers and the models because without them we wouldn't have any of this wonderful entertainment. Anyway...

I'm into the excitement of melodramatic sinking scenes... there's just something about the "damsel-in-distress" scenario that I like. Long ago I hated grim endings whether that be in drawings, stories, or videos... but, it was Kristine Lynn's submergence performance in Kaol's, Explorer Revisited, that change my perspective on that. As I watched that video, I admit I was dreading the possibility that she might go under, yet when Kristine did go under, she did it in a very natural, "no fear" manner... it was very impressive ...and, it was profoundly sexy! Kristine then did a MOST outstanding submergence in her "White Bra and Panties" scene in MPV's, Young Woman, Deep Mud... and, I've been a HUGE Kristine fan ever since. As PM2K noted, it's the power of the actress to sell the scene, and there certainly are ladies out there with the talent in making these scenes convincing.

Although I appreciate the "artificial" pits, I really like and prefer the models getting stuck and sinking in real quicksand or deep mud out there in nature. Yes, nature sometimes doesn't cooperate... but, that's where the ingenuity of the producers and the talents of the models come into play to make it work.

Clothing wise, I like any attire that shows off the Quicksand Models' bare legs as I like seeing every little movement in the ladies' leg muscles as they struggle... hence the reason I like natural mud as sometimes the women actually DO get stuck, especially as seen in ArchEnemys' quarry mud productions, especially with Danielle. So, a gal wearingshort shorts, mini-skirts, or thong bikini briefs stuck in the mud gets my attention. I also like tight-fitting blue jeans on a Quicksand Model where the fabric conforms to every curve on the woman's lower body... Kristine Lynn wore some very nice-fitting jeans in MPV's, This Place Sucks. Footwear wise, white sneakers on a gal getting stuck and sinking in the mud get my attention as well. By the way, I've found ArchEnemys' quicksand/mud productions to be the best when it comes to the models being stuck because in many cases the really are, thus their actions and struggles, and sometimes their attitudes, are VERY CONVINCING.

I like a nice, slow, struggle-filled sink where we get to see the model's stuck, struggling legs gradually being consumed by the mire. I'm not too much into those scenes where the model sinks straight to her waist as we miss out on all the potential legginess of the struggle and sink.

Since I like legginess in a Quicksand Video, I prefer that the Quicksand Model sinks into the quicksand or mud standing straight up and down... in other words, if she's waist-deep or breast-deep in mud, I really like/prefer it when her legs are actually fully straighten and extended down into the mud with her feet at the bottom. I don't particularly like a Quicksand Video where the model folds her legs under her and she sits upon them to simulate that she's knee to thigh-deep in the mud... I find it a turn off when you can actually see her pulling her legs under her and sit upon them to get deeper in the mud in the final product. Now, I do understand that sometimes the mud isn't deep enough and doesn't cooperate, thus the model has no choice but to sit upon her legs to "get deeper" into the mud; however, it would be nice if she did so in a manner where you don't see that or that the editing is such that such a maneuver isn't seen by the audience. An good example of this being done right is MPV's, This Place Sucks, featuring Kristine Lynn. Kristine's one of those models who tries her best to deliver an outstanding product, and in the many videos I've seen her in action, she really tries to sink straight up and down in the mud with her legs fully extended deep down into the mire (and she sometimes gets really stuck doing this, which is a nice touch )... and, when you watch, This Place Sucks, it appears she successfully does this once again... however, when you watch the outakes you see that in spite of her best efforts, she couldn't get deeper than her knees standing straight up and down, thus she and MPV had no choice but to have her dig a hole and sit down upon her lower legs to "sink deeper" in the mud... the thing is that you the viewer would've never known that from watching the actual final video because of the expert filming, directing, editing, and performance by the MPV crew and Kristine... so, although I was a bit disappointed to learn that Kristine didn't actually sink to her wasit and breasts straight up and down in the mud, in the final product things were done and edited so seamlessly that you didn't see or realize that Kristine was sitting on her legs... goes back to the model being convincing and the production crew making it convincing.

Not too much into bondage in a quicksand scene UNLESS the bondage is due to treacherous vines reaching up from the mud, ensnaring our Quicksand Damsel and slowly pulling her into the mud as she struggles futilely to get free.

I do prefer a stubborn, frustrated, annoyed, "no fear" attitude on the part of model as she gets stuck, struggles, and slowly sinks to her doom and only actually calls for help towards the end... Kristine Lynn is, in my opinion, the best at this. I'm not too much into a Quicksand Model who screams and hollers frantically from the moment she steps into quicksand to the moment she sinks out of sight... PM2K's term of "screechiness" describes this well.

Although camera clicks don't annoy me, an unstable camcorder platform while filming an outstanding melodramatic scene can be tiring... although, I do understand that this issue is sometimes unavoidable if the cameraman/woman has to get out into the mud to get close-up footage of the Quicksand Model and ends up getting stuck themselves.

Although I have my preferences, I really have nothing to complain about. Bottomline is we have outstanding people out there willing to take the time to script, plan, fund, and perform to make these videos... to make a product that takes our fantasies and makes them into reality... and, this efforts and the products produced have gotten better and better over the years... and, it's the advancements of today that makes, interestingly enough, the older material of yesteryears that much more special as those pioneering producers and models were making things happen with the older technology of the time.

[noone]

also useful would be facts such as how many videos (not teasers) one has actually purchaed, the background one might have in photography or videography, and things like that.

Okies: aside from which, I must point out that a teaser tends to be a whole lot of what I don't like. MUZAK, Clip/shuffling, no sink. ARGH! a turn off.
I started purchasing in 1997, vhs. If it had Mina Lee, Francesca Le, or Brandi... I Absolutely had to have it.
It isn't that I am into exotic women, it is just that;
A) Mina's acting exceeded my wildest imagining (at rare moments a bit shrill sounding, but dang nab it- It was BECAUSE she was sinking in quicksand!)
B) Francesca could be as sexy as... as... well, the most awesome quicksand scene you ever saw. I think I had every quicksand video she was in via ClubMPV, and over the years after replacing computers and such, may have downloaded them each over a dozen times.
C) Brandi, Okay acting. Brandi, the woman next door with outrageous curves. nuff sed.

I bought all of the quicksand scenes from arch enemies, why? Young curvy women, and potentially some drama (I had hoped).
I bought three or four of the VHS videos from Wave productions Pamela Sutch (Spelling?) was the only selling point for me there.
I absolutely wanted to get videos from Koal, but couldn't get my head around-past the MUZAK.
Why? because, Rowena!
That woman, I tell ya. a cup of instant Hawtness, just add quicksand.
Pamela Rose Productions: I really enjoyed the torrid teasers, but at the time I was strapped for cash. I eventually did buy some PRP content via ClubMPV.
Krystal's stuff, was that DumbClown productions, I didn't trust the site and wanted anonymity. thus, purchased from ClubMPV.

About a year ago (maybe two?) I had purchased the Digital Download of the DVDs of the QVP classics: Terror, and Drama.
I used the program "Handbreak" to turn them into videos I could watch on my computer. That computer was destroyed by a cat fascinated with knocking things off shelves...
I am yet to replace those purchases. I doubt I can. it is getting harder to have $20-40 to spend freely nowadays, and those two talied about $150 together.

Have I bought any studio 588 stuff? I really wish I could find out more about the videos... but I can't. that one website keeps telling I forgot my password and such even when I enter the right one. If I have bought any 588 stuff it would have to have been availiable through clubMPV otherwise - no.
Download dreams, I really wanted to - but I didn't trust the website.
I did buy one or two quicksand videos from Jim Weathers, but his website buried the clips I sought in a mountain of bondage, gagballs, vibrator torture, alligator clip torture, etc. Instant turn off. I had asked him if he could try to keep his peanut butter out of my chocolate and well...
it was not the best customer service experience.

Nowadays, I would continue to purchase from clubMPV and ONLY clubMPV if I can be guaranteed anonymity.
why, because even if I download my whole LIBRARY... the system keeps up with me.
Because If I have a computer replaced years LATER... He has records of who I am and the purchases I have made.
If a new video comes out after a year of staying away and I *MUST* have it... He doesn't have a problem reminding of my password and helping me get back in.

... anonymity, ease of use, being on the topic, and decent customer service...
These go a long way towards making me BUY anything.

Oh, and Do I steal stuff?

Nope, Because I want the producers to make more - not to be forced out of business.

[Kinky Desires]

Have I bought any studio 588 stuff? I really wish I could find out more about the videos... but I can't. that one website keeps telling I forgot my password and such even when I enter the right one.

I think you're getting studio 588 muddled up with another site - there is no username/password system on studio588qs.com. You just click on the videos button at the top, find the one you want and e-mail Fred directly. It's not an automated system, but he always responds really quickly to his e-mails