Quicksand submergence posssible?

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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby mudxdresser » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:50 am

All depends on the consistency of the mud, the more watery it is, the less risky weights would be assuming you are an experienced diver and swimmer. And I assume we're talking about mud, not true quicksand, going under in real quicksand would often be fatal, adding weights would only guarantee it.

Of course, I've been there, done that with respect to weights in bottomless mud, a pair of 5lb dive weights to be exact. Drop by some time, you can have 'em, I don't use 'em anymore. And there are reasons for that, first, they are unnecessary. You'd be better off to instead develop the musculature to instead propel yourself downward on your own. You'd be surprised how difficult it is to surface just one inch below relatively thick mud, especially if you have exhaled any of the buoyancy you carried down with you in the form of air in your lungs. You'll need those muscles to propel yourself back to the surface. Second, without the musculature we're talking about, the musculature you demonstrated you have by propelling yourself under the mud, you may well discover you don't have all that much musculature when you try to surface.

Third, it is harder to turn loose of weights than you think. You'll be tempted to tie them on somehow to leave your hands free or to at least put straps on them to make them easier to hold. Point is, you may find you can't get them loose at all if you panic or they become tangled. But even if you just hold them and then turn them loose, if the mud is thick enough, the sticky suction of the mud may still leave them effectively attached to you even though you aren't holding them.

Like I said, I've played with weights and survived but I don't do it any more and strongly recommend against ever doing it as it does not actually do anything all that fun. That is, the technical side of things when using weights keeps you focused on not getting killed and detracts from enjoying going under the mud. I go under all the time but I do it myself. If you are having trouble submerging on your own, you definitely don't want to use weights to submerge as you may well lack the muscle power it takes to overcome the depth to which you've sunk with weights.

Want to get some experience submerging, I'll show you the ropes when you drop by to pick up those weights...

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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby Sedge » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:40 pm

Depending on what you're sinking in, fooling around with weights seems dangerous if the stuff is deeper than you are tall.

While actually vertically submerging in deep mud often takes effort, you may be surprised to experience that there's no buoyancy down there even without weights or clothing. It feels like equilibrium and you won't float up. Outcome might not be good if you're weighted and don't have a secure way to climb out (rope, board, etc.).

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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby Fred588 » Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:37 pm

I believe that if you think about it there IS buoyancy. What you are describing is that the buoyancy you have is not sufficient to overcome the viscosity (essentially friction) of the mud.


Sedge wrote:Depending on what you're sinking in, fooling around with weights seems dangerous if the stuff is deeper than you are tall.

While actually vertically submerging in deep mud often takes effort, you may be surprised to experience that there's no buoyancy down there even without weights or clothing. It feels like equilibrium and you won't float up. Outcome might not be good if you're weighted and don't have a secure way to climb out (rope, board, etc.).
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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby SunGirl » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:46 am

So, It is (theoretically) possible to use weights to make submergence easier/to be actually sucked under in quicksand.

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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby bogbud » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:43 am

SunGirl wrote:So, It is (theoretically) possible to use weights to make submergence easier/to be actually sucked under in quicksand.


Of course it is. And extremely hazardous.
What exactly do you want to do? I hope you don't want to get rid of someone.... :shock:

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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby SunGirl » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:03 am

Nope. I want to be sucked under like in the movies.

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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby mudxdresser » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:33 am

Movie quicksand is exactly that, an artificial special effect that takes a great deal of technical effort to create but isn't real. You can recreate the special effect, but more than weights are involved.

I notice that you haven't elaborated on exactly what your purpose is in all of this which makes it difficult to fully be responsive to your question. Simply put, if you are wanting to sink in mud for real in a manner like is seen in the movies, then any combination of mud and weights that would make that possible would be very dangerous. And you have not addressed the repeated warnings of the risk involved. So I ask again, are you in any way concerned with surviving sinking in the mud? Or, are you just trying to sink convincingly for some other mud fetishist to please his desires?

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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby Mynock » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:59 am

OP is being vague and ignoring multiple safety warnings, so I'm going to end my contributions here. Have fun, I hope you don't die.
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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby SunGirl » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:15 am

mudxdresser wrote:Movie quicksand is exactly that, an artificial special effect that takes a great deal of technical effort to create but isn't real. You can recreate the special effect, but more than weights are involved.

I notice that you haven't elaborated on exactly what your purpose is in all of this which makes it difficult to fully be responsive to your question. Simply put, if you are wanting to sink in mud for real in a manner like is seen in the movies, then any combination of mud and weights that would make that possible would be very dangerous. And you have not addressed the repeated warnings of the risk involved. So I ask again, are you in any way concerned with surviving sinking in the mud? Or, are you just trying to sink convincingly for some other mud fetishist to please his desires?

I fully understand the risks. I don't actually want to get out afterwards. If that's what you were asking.

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Re: Quicksand submergence posssible?

Postby Duncan Edwards » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:48 am

SunGirl wrote:
mudxdresser wrote:Movie quicksand is exactly that, an artificial special effect that takes a great deal of technical effort to create but isn't real. You can recreate the special effect, but more than weights are involved.

I notice that you haven't elaborated on exactly what your purpose is in all of this which makes it difficult to fully be responsive to your question. Simply put, if you are wanting to sink in mud for real in a manner like is seen in the movies, then any combination of mud and weights that would make that possible would be very dangerous. And you have not addressed the repeated warnings of the risk involved. So I ask again, are you in any way concerned with surviving sinking in the mud? Or, are you just trying to sink convincingly for some other mud fetishist to please his desires?

I fully understand the risks. I don't actually want to get out afterwards. If that's what you were asking.


Okay, that confirms my, Mynocks, and I'm sure others suspicions all along. Major egregious troll alert here.
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