Quicksand only?

[maria]

Just a quick question and the start of a possible debate or even a new section for the Board: is this forum solely dedicated to quicksand in the strict sense? I should make the question a bit clearer - the forum appears to focus primarily on quicksand and the potential of going under; but there is little mention of sinking in deep mud and getting stuck (Jump-off Joe and some of Dave's and Studio 588 work excluded of course).

The nuggets section points us towards youtube videos of so-called quicksand scenes - most of which are lame efforts from the movies of leaves or sawdust over water. But there are few mentions if any of some of the good mud sinking scenes out there.

It would be good to get this sub-genre underway; or is the fetish becoming more and more constrained or even dying

PS How wonderful it would be to see more boots and fetish clothing involved in the sinking scenes - but that's my bias!

[dlodoski]

I can try to answer your inquiry, but I doubt I am the only one with an opinion.

The basic premise of this board is direct and as simple as possible. Whether you consider a fetish or a kink, this board focuses on the sexual underpinnings of quicksand, and quicksand related themes.

References to casual or incidental sinking episodes are tolerated because of the inherent voyeuristic angle that many of us have (myself included). These would generally be messy situations, except for the depth factor. It has to be 'deep'. The arousal is owned by the viewer in this case.

Regarding sinking deep for the sake of sinking deep, there are lots of 'doer' input here, including sinking 'reports' and even videos and photos. These feature mostly guys. But in terms of having a sub-area for sinking "without the potential for going under", I think that the Photos and Home Video sections provide a lot of that thing.

But when it's all said and done, the appeal here is for the emotional reaction to sinking - fear and/or arousal. If you take away the 'potential for going under', you diminish those feelings in a significant way. And you're left with something that is not Quicksand.

[quagmire_uk]

Hmm, I'd say that there's plenty of stuff here about sinking in mud, peat bogs, clay etc.

Most people - amongst the general public, and here in this community - use the term 'quicksand' loosely, in a general sense, to mean stuff someone sinks into and gets stuck in.There's lots of 'quicksand' scenes in movies and TV shows - and scenes done by the fetish producers here - where someone sinks into mud, but the characters call it quicksand.

I think the idea of 'quicksand' in public consciousness is one suggesting danger - you blunder into it, it "sucks you down" (not really) and you can sink to your doom unless you escape or are rescued. So lots of quicksand fetishists are into that danger aspect.

That said, there's been plenty of photos and drawings and videos here where someone is merely STUCK in mud or quicksand, and it doesn't look like they are in any immininent danger of being sucked down. They've blundered into mud/quicksand and are stuck and can only escape with great difficulty, or have no hope of escape without rescue. Lots of people here are into that, and would still consider that to be quicksand fetish, even though there's no risk of submergence.

(Indeed that's the actual peril of REAL quicksand and deep mud - getting stuck and being unable to escape. The submergence aspect is fiction.)

[Fred588]

I think quagmire_uk sums it up pretty well.

For me the danger, or perceived danger, of sinking under is what makes it quicksand. Whether the "quicksand" is actually sand or is clay, peat, tar, of something else is irrelevant UNLESS some aspect of whatever it is presents some danger that overrides going under. I suppose that would mean that lava is not quicksand. It would also rule out something such as hot liquid metal as in Terminator.

For the danger, or I suppose possibility in the case of anerotic scene, of sinking under to be preent requires, in my view, that the "mud" be deep enough, or appear deep enough, for sinking under to be plausible. At what point the mud IS deep enough is, of course, a matter of opiion and personal point of view. For me mud that is, say, knee deep is not quicksand although I am perfectly aware that in reality most quicksand is actually less deep than that. [I actually got my car stuck in a spot that technically WAS quicksand right here on the Studio 588 property awhile back, and it was only deep enough for one wheel to sink in halfway to the hub.] OK it was a LONG time ago!

My personal view would also say that in something like a video scene it des not matter if is clear there is no danger of sinking under, at least if it is otherwise clear that the "mud" is that deep. For example, I think it is still a quicksand scene if the character goes in knowing there is no danger. Such a scene is, in a sense, like a video of one of our own going for a "sink." Perhaps that person knows perfectly well there is no danger but images himself, or herself, potentially sinking under. That makes it quicksand.

All this is my own view, of course. For the most part this board seems pretty flexible in that regard.

[maria]

Thanks for the replies. Is it possible for the forum to have another area which caters specifically for those who enjoy being stuck in mud or quicksand, BUT in situations where there’s a very slow sink maybe to thigh deep, or whatever depth pleases. And importantly, the victim is dressed in sexy attire, pantyhose, mini skirt and boots (for example). Heck, I almost forgot latex and rubber!

There’s a certain allure about seeing female thighs twisting and straining - trying to escape the grip of thick mud rather than the plunge-in situation which is the most common quicksand scene. Again, it’s about the slow sink and seeing the lower half of the body trying to deal with a muddy predicament. Of course, if it ends up sinking deeper, then fantastic – but slowly.

Damsels in Distress Vide Productions went very close to this – NOTABLY catering for lovers of pantyhose, which seems to be almost avoided in the mainstream video productions. Jump Off Joe is having a go and getting somewhere near this pleasing-on-the-eye scenario

And is it possible to get a boot thing happening. Obviously there is a reasonable fan base looking at Youtube for example, which does the boots in mud scenes. If a section of this forum catered for this, then maybe more punters would be game to post their own experiences and pictures, videos and stories here.

Or am I just dreaming and living in desperate hope for real slow sinks to the thighs and pantyhose and boots or at least some sexy clothing?
Fans – please get behind this idea!

[Viridian]

I think where the line CAN clearly be drawn is when you have a "simple" mud fetish, that is, straightforward mudplay. The quicksand fetish is more about the "sinking" and "trapped" element, which in some form another hits the stimulation triggers, whether it is visual, physical or psychological. Deep mud is where the line gets...muddy. I think the "pure" quicksand fetishists will not be (as) stimulated as there is no sense of danger or drama, as the depth is known and nothing deeper is explored, so even if there is a small amount of sinking, if it's "only" to thigh level, the interest quickly dissipates as it will not go any deeper.

I would therefore say that deep mud would be an associated interest, but not necessarily the same as the quicksand fetish.

[bogbud]

For me it's also definately a thing about being trapped and helpless. As i go regulary out into the bogs and mudflats myself and have been in situations that did include involuntary sinking over my head, being stuck really deep, flooding my chest-waders with heavy mud, you name it...it has to be a "real" scenario that i want to see in a video. I quite often only yawn when i see a model that pretends to be in serious danger when the edge of the pit is literally one foot away from her or the mud is so sloppy you could probably swim through it. (That is not meant to critizise the producers, i do perfectly know that natural locations are rare and often not available and the artificial pits have a lot of advantages). I did really like the videos from that canadian bog and the ones Michael shot in the UK, also the more recent ones from Jumpoff Joe shot at the muddy shore of that lake. That dark brown "bog-pit" at CampMPV with the fallen tree just out of reach of the models is also a good location because it is so vast. That makes it believable that the model has nothing solid to grab within her reach.

Regarding the depth it needs not to be all the way down for me. A model that just wants to get across the thick bog, gets stuck, desperatly tries to free herself and sinking gradually up to her chest until she's so stuck she can't move at all, is more satisfying to watch than a badly done complete sink in watery stuff. Also, being a fan of "drama" i'm not interested in all those "erotic"-videos.

Regarding clothes i'm wth maria here. I do pretty much the same like him, also including lots of waterproof footwear and raingear. Sure i would like to see more models with proper riding- or fishing-attire getting stuck and sinking. But it's true, that this is more of a european thing, there are quite a lot of UK- and Germany-based sites catering this sort of interest. I only know a handful of US-based models who donate videos for them (wearing wellies and the like), but no special studio/producer. Maybe this has something to do with the climate. Central/western Europe is temperate and you can shoot all kinds of videos almost all year long. As i understand in large parts of Canada/the US the bogs are frozen half the year and the other half of the year it's so hot, that wearing a complete outfit of rubber (or latex) becomes quite a challenge.

Still Quicksandfans is the place to be for me. The site has managed to stay alive for 10 years now and that's a real big achivement in the internet. I have seen so many other sites and forums come and go or get completely deserted. Lets hope QSF will be here for another 10 years!

[maria]

I agree with all. Particularly the being stuck and helpless feeling.

I also still think the watery quicksand which results in the rapid demise/sink of its victim is unfortunate. Not much peril in sinking in water ...

Totally agree with Bogbud. I too have been in serious situations requiring a combination of calm, strength and a feeling of no fear to get in the situation in the first place! The thrill of getting in too deep and out of the depth of the protective wear (boots or waders) is a fine feeling .

Also the so-called deep mud videos on Youtube, where the victim ends up less than knee deep should be moderated and retitled shallow mud ... not my thing. So deep is good.

Anyway, it was more or less a call for more sexy clothes in the "quicksand". Who cares if the boots disappear eventually - it will certainly please someone out there . And if the USA can't seem to get hold of decent rubber boots, they sure seem to have amighty good selection of pantyhose and clubwear - go for it Dave!!!

Hey, great forum and I was a member way back when it first started under the moniker of ... Deep Sinking . Keep up the good work.

[Fred588]

This is solely to address the comment in the second to last paragraph of Maria's most recent, and quoted, post.

First, there actually ARE a fair number of scenes involving sexy clothes, and boots of various kinds and from several producers. Quite often these items are expensive and thereby add a fair amount to the cost of producing a scene. For this reason, and also to the fact that not everyone wants them, the best ways to encourage further production are underwriting custom and/or partial custom scenes and to purchase the scenes when they are released.

I agree with all. Particularly the being stuck and helpless feeling.

I also still think the watery quicksand which results in the rapid demise/sink of its victim is unfortunate. Not much peril in sinking in water ...

Totally agree with Bogbud. I too have been in serious situations requiring a combination of calm, strength and a feeling of no fear to get in the situation in the first place! The thrill of getting in too deep and out of the depth of the protective wear (boots or waders) is a fine feeling .

Also the so-called deep mud videos on Youtube, where the victim ends up less than knee deep should be moderated and retitled shallow mud ... not my thing. So deep is good.

Anyway, it was more or less a call for more sexy clothes in the "quicksand". Who cares if the boots disappear eventually - it will certainly please someone out there . And if the USA can't seem to get hold of decent rubber boots, they sure seem to have amighty good selection of pantyhose and clubwear - go for it Dave!!!

Hey, great forum and I was a member way back when it first started under the moniker of ... Deep Sinking . Keep up the good work.

[lonesinker]

Interesting post. I like the idea of getting stuck as I have a few times,but on a few occasions the deep stuck situation turned from excitement to fear especially when you lose control and become trapped. You definitely need to take precautions and have a plan B in case something really horrible happens. The scariest mud I found is not quicksand but deeper gluey swamp mud,at least that's why I found.
While I love the idea of wearing chest and hip waders into the muck and regular clothes,muddy clothes can weigh you down and hip waders and chest waders can really glue you in. The air pockets and mud noises is something I like hearing..have fun but also be careful and know your surroundings and a bonus is a hiking pole,it can be your best friend