Fred588 wrote:redjak6t4 wrote:These are all interesting responses.
But I don't see anyone who either likes going under themselves or likes watching others go under mentioning the elephant in the room. That is, the D-word. Death. Surely the core thrill of 'going under' quicksand fetishism is the risk of death by drowning in the mud?
Am I wrong here? Is the D-word somehow taboo? Or, is it the fuel that drives 'going under' quicksand fetishism?
Thank you.
Redjak.
I think what you are missing is that this is all fantasy. Also, while the sexual double metaphor of foreplay and climax has been mentioned in this thread already (by me) there is also a second metaphor, I believe totally unrelated, for quicksand. In fiction, at least, quicksand is often used to represent the worst possible death - being pulled into the grave while still alive and conscious. [This is a theory expressed by others, not me] I have seen it expressed somewhere that one of the reasons it is almost always the bad guy who dies by quicksand in the movies is because the bad guy somehow deserves it.
Fred,
I like and tend to agree with what you say about sexual metaphors. That analysis explains a lot. Thank you.
But I must strongly disagree with you when you claim that I'm missing the point of this being fantasy. If I were really missing the point, the QS fakes that I post here represent what I think is acceptable behaviour towards women. If I really were missing the point, that would mean that I really DO want to see women sinking to their deaths in quicksand. Not understanding that this is all fantasy would make me into a very twisted and dangerous person indeed.
But, that's clearly not the case. I fully understand that ALL of my posted content is totally and 100% fantasy. I like to think of myself as someone who can help to visually realize the fantasies that some of us QS fetishists think about. No more than that. It must stay on the screen or in our heads, but must never become reality.
I started this thread to try and explore the psychology underpinning our fetish and I mentioned the D-word because as far as I can see it cannot be divorced from the consequences of going under, into the embrace of the quicksand. Hence my comment about the elephant in the room.
Duncan has summed it up pretty well. If quicksand were only a minor inconvenience and not something lethal, then all of the thrill of the struggle and the frantic urge to escape would be absent. It is the danger of death that makes quicksand exciting to some (if not most) of us. If that's too much like a celebration of death and too necro for some, then I apologize.
If others see going under in non-necro terms, then please enlighten me. As I mentioned above, I am exploring our fetish here, not condemning anyone and not seeking to offend anyone.
Thank you.
Redjak.