The First Men on the Moon

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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby QSMud » Mon May 06, 2013 8:32 pm

bbjohn wrote:
kham wrote:NASA is dead meat. And should be defunded. Their last policy statement alone was enough to get them all terminated in non -bizzaro world.

The only leaps forward in space technology in the next quarter century will be coming from the private sector. And they likely will be pretty startling , a lot like they were back when there actually was a space agency with a mission.


Amen, Kham. NASA has gone from being an organization with a mission to being just another government bureaucracy. The trouble is they no longer have a goal. They got to the moon, and they lost direction.

Now that the technology has become cheaper and more widely available, let's see what the private sector can do. I'll bet the results will be awesome, and as exciting as anything NASA did in its glory years.

Big Bad John


The private sector... i.e. reality show. This could actually work. (and everyone would watch.)
http://mashable.com/2013/04/22/mars-one ... y-tv-show/
http://gizmodo.com/5974437/mars-colonis ... apply-here
https://apply.mars-one.com/

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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby rickyj » Tue May 07, 2013 12:33 am

Basically it's hard for conspiracy researchers to ever prove their case. The powers that be use everything they can to cover up wahtever they want.
Truth be told, I can't be prove we didn't go to the moon anymore than anyone CAN prove we went there. That's the nature of why arguments between conspiracy and non-conspiracy never go anywhere. Neither side will budge.
But just a couple of nit-picking points Duncan, it is 100% true much of the archival TV footage for the Apollo 11 has been "lost." Just do some web searches. I'm too lazy to look them up right now. This was actually a national news story a few years back and I'm suprised you never heard about it. Some company wants to make a documentary of the landing and that's when it was "found out" that the footage had been erased.
As for pictures, obviously Conspiracy people can, and have used fakery to make money. But their usual M.O. is to the expose the fakery they of what they are skeptical of. People like Alex Jones devote their entire life to debunking the "official story." They are in it to try to show the fakery, not to add to it. But once again, these gets back to what I said earlier, that it's hard to prove things either way. Anyone can fake anything on a photo or a video.
The only way to shut up the skeptics is either off them(which has happened probably many many times), or to show the undeniable proof. In the case of the moon landing, I would say being able to see the Rover or Flag through a telescope in real time would be proof. (Actually, I'm not sure if the Rover is on the side we can even see from Earth. If that's the case, the viewer would have to be in orbit and see it with their own eyes from space).
So there's really no point arguing it, I read and understand all your arguments. You may be right. You may be wrong. Best just to leave it like that. This could be debated forever. There's no proof either way with the data we have access to.

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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby Mynock » Tue May 07, 2013 5:30 am

QSMud wrote:The private sector... i.e. reality show. This could actually work. (and everyone would watch.)
http://mashable.com/2013/04/22/mars-one ... y-tv-show/
http://gizmodo.com/5974437/mars-colonis ... apply-here
https://apply.mars-one.com/


Reality shows have very little to do with reality.......which would be that a trip to mars would be a year of mostly mind numbing boredom in a little tin can, with the constant threat of something malfunctioning and killing you. Try to imagine taking everything you need to survive, food, water, clothing, toiletries, bedding, etc, cramming it into your bedroom, and then locking yourself in there with 3 or 4 of your friends and not coming out for a year. At the end of six months you get a week in which you're allowed to make maybe a dozen 3 hour excursions from your room. Once that week is up lock your door again and spend another 6 months inside. Welcome to modern space travel.
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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby Duncan Edwards » Tue May 07, 2013 7:55 am

rickyj wrote:Basically it's hard for conspiracy researchers to ever prove their case.


Damn near impossible, I'd say.

The powers that be use everything they can to cover up wahtever they want.


Still waiting for somebody to tell me who these powers are.

Truth be told, I can't be prove we didn't go to the moon...


I think that was determined a while ago but thanks for admitting it.

... anymore than anyone CAN prove we went there.


Wrong. Again. It has been proven we went. You just continue to ignore all the facts. Not hearsay but FACTS.

Incredible dude. You admit you don't know or understand what you are talking about, constantly contradict yourself, have not one shred of evidence beyond some imagined circumstantial internet bs, yet you continue to say it never happened. By your standard of proof I can't even prove that I'm here. How in the world is anything going to be sufficient to people who simply decry everything as faked? By your standard I can't prove that Christopher Columbus re-discovered the Americas but it appears that somebody did. We have millions of streets, schools, cities, monuments, named for him and all historians point to his voyage in 1492 but I didn't actually see it myself. What I can see are the effects of what it is claimed he accomplished and no evidence to the contrary so I have to accept it. You are claiming that there is a tribe of invisible Indians walking around in the room and since I can't prove they aren't it must be true. This is seriously flawed, man.

Similar to Columbus mark on history I see the effects of the moon landings on our world in everything from the materials and electronics, monuments, to the marks on popular culture. Even if I hadn't been there watching Walter Cronkite wipe tears of emotion from his own eyes on television as Apollo 11 landed on the moon I'd still have to say it really happened. The millions of books, movies, photos, documentaries, scientific papers, unmanned probes, etc. is more than the documentary evidence that was used to convict the Nazi's at Nuremberg.

The moon landing hoaxers who continue to believe in this must be an easily led, delusional, and soggy brained lot. I don't think it would be difficult to profit from such people so I wish I had a list of names and addresses. Maybe I should create some sort of giant conspiracy fable so they will come to me? Yeah, that's the ticket! Oh wait...too late.
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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby kham » Tue May 07, 2013 8:45 am

Ref. "The Demon -Haunted World, by Carl Sagan", chapter entitled " the invisible dragon in my garage " Lovely insight into how the completely crazy claims of stuff like that attempt to evade logical proofs in the real world. Works for UFO Aliens claims as well.

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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby Fred588 » Tue May 07, 2013 9:11 am

Trying to be rational with one who is not is irrational.
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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby Duncan Edwards » Tue May 07, 2013 9:39 am

Fred588 wrote:Trying to be rational with one who is not is irrational.


You are correct but I'm really speaking to a wider audience. Not only is this an insult to every teacher who ever lived, thinking like this without it being challenged is undermining civilization. As all of history is being subjected to endless unsubstantiated revision by internet bullshit artists the value of learning is being degraded. Nobody is even learning how to learn any longer. Rational thought, debate, discourse, study, scholarship, are all going the way of journalism and the media. It's all becoming one big mass of "infotainment" and everyone can believe whatever they want. If allowed to continue there will come a day when we won't know our place in this world and consequently our future as well.

And also it's just damned ignorant. I'm sure you of all people here understand. ;)
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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby Fred588 » Tue May 07, 2013 10:28 am

Good point and I totally agree.


Duncan Edwards wrote:
Fred588 wrote:Trying to be rational with one who is not is irrational.


You are correct but I'm really speaking to a wider audience. Not only is this an insult to every teacher who ever lived, thinking like this without it being challenged is undermining civilization. As all of history is being subjected to endless unsubstantiated revision by internet bullshit artists the value of learning is being degraded. Nobody is even learning how to learn any longer. Rational thought, debate, discourse, study, scholarship, are all going the way of journalism and the media. It's all becoming one big mass of "infotainment" and everyone can believe whatever they want. If allowed to continue there will come a day when we won't know our place in this world and consequently our future as well.

And also it's just damned ignorant. I'm sure you of all people here understand. ;)
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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby PM2K » Tue May 07, 2013 11:56 am

Beautifully said, Duncan! :D

Alas, there seems to be no cure for the deliberately ignorant, but at least the rest of us can try to avoid being dragged down with them.

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Re: The First Men on the Moon

Postby kham » Tue May 07, 2013 2:52 pm

Also, for context, the douchebag that Buzz punched out, was a scumbag filmmaker trying to get ink for his crappy movie "proving" how it was all faked. Picked on the wrong fighter pilot there, sunshine.


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