Desperate need to document the history of the QS movement.

[onesixthsinker]

^I don't think I agree with that. We're documenting the pioneers, the milestones and the achievements. I don't think we should be immortalising the infamous, who would get more recognition in this chronicle than other contributors to the community. At best, we'd be inflating their importance in the context of the community's history.

Quite true actually, and even as a cautionary, anybody of a certain age should already well know the need for caution and skepticism on the internet. I was young and a dumbass when it happened to me hence how I learned lol

[Duncan Edwards]

Why don't you change the title of this thread and make it the full time history contribution thread?

Okay, so it begins. Once upon a time, a long time ago, in a cyberverse far, far, away...

February 1995 I stuck the word "quicksand" into Alta Vista and was ultimately directed to what was then known as Rob Frank's Quicksand Page. Rob was the originator before Mike Disabato took over the admin duties. Last updated in 2003 the page still exists - http://www.dellamente.com/quicksand/

I didn't really believe it was going to be anything that great but my heart began to pound like a badly loaded washing machine as I scrolled down the page. At the bottom was a photo of Shaun from Messyfun in a red dress up to her waist and an admonition that read something like "for those who like quicksand". Next to it was a link to alt.sex.fetish.wet-and-messy - my first experience with newsgroups. I have never had an experience like that before or since in all of my fifty years. I was awake for the next three days searching the web and usenet from alpha to izzard for everything I could find. I encountered Kaol, JT, Dave, Foz, Quickbeard, and Rob Blaine already there. I latched on to Messyfun like a tick and contacted Chuck Lang at the address on the Quicksand page right away. First person to send me a story was Kaol. I found the MPV BBS and couldn't get enough at 9600 baud. I had a life change that rivaled becoming a parent.

And then I met Dave in '98. I've not had a "normal" minute since.

[beachbum]

One sixth sinker,

I have shared the same frustration that you have with that one person "Jenn / Cindy / Ann" aka "Bob". Hence our NJ connection. Funny how that person was the original reason why I joined the site (actually was the deepsinking site), but everyone else on here have been nothing less than pleasant and enjoyable and I'm glad to be a member of this site. I agree that we should not talk about that person since the producers have provided such great material with such great quicksand models. Their work is greatly appreciated by me, and should be recognized.

[dk_angel7]

February 1995 I stuck the word "quicksand" into Alta Vista and was ultimately directed to what was then known as Rob Frank's Quicksand Page. Rob was the originator before Mike Disabato took over the admin duties. Last updated in 2003 the page still exists - http://www.dellamente.com/quicksand/

I have checked and yes the page still exists. I am also amazed at how pages like this seem to evolve with us (by itself) over time.

I clicked on the link for "Capt. Mangrove's Adventure Tales" on the sub-page titled, "Other Bogs To Explore".

I was sent to "Mucknmire.com". It links to subjects quite relavant to our time; "Credit Report Score", "Hair Loss", "Pavlov", and "Drug Rehab".

[Duncan Edwards]

Why don't you change the title of this thread and make it the full time history contribution thread?

Okay, so it begins. Once upon a time, a long time ago, in a cyberverse far, far, away...

...

And then I met Dave in '98. I've not had a "normal" minute since.

So Dave and MPV began shooting videos in '98 and I recognized the potential right away. He had Pete Boggs helping him on the first shoot as writer, illustrator, and photographer. The photographer part didn't work out so I jokingly emailed Dave and told him if he ever needed a photographer to contact me. Never dreamed he'd actually do it and he did. I flew to the original MPV studio site in California and was met by Dave and JT at the airport. A few days of mind blowing experience later I was flying home thinking "Wow! I'll never get to do that again." Of course I was back a month later to do it again. MPV began releasing videos and that effort began to gain traction.

Obviously I left out a lot of detail. There are several things in there that might be worthwhile to know and continue to impact this entire group. You could build a broad outline of things like this and then start to fill in the spaces.

[dk_angel7]

I had this issue in the back of my mind for a while.

I just joined Deviant Art and became a member of the “Quicksand Group”.

A recent incident over there firmly impressed upon me the belief that we might have a real problem on our hands.

I was looking at comments on the attached picture by “~QSSuwako”. Dates are relative to the date of this posting in QSF.

*****

~PajamaGirl2014 Apr 26, 2012 – “That's so cute! Poor girl! Goodbye loli I hope you had a good life!”

This comment raised my eyebrows a bit. So I responded with my own post.

~Dark-Angel-Seven 4 days ago New member
“It's been a long standing tradition (15 plus years worth) that fatal scenes involving minors is not allowed.
This may have fallen by the wayside when the community evolved beyond "deepsinking.org" in or about 2007.
I believe that it is a good idea to keep it in place. So no! Loli WILL survive this one!”

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~PajamaGirl2014 2 days ago – “huh?”

I became a bit alarmed. So I responded.

~Dark-Angel-Seven 1 day ago New member
“I know your comment was minor with no intention of harm. So I speak within that context.

I don't want to sound like a jerk. But this internet community that surrounds the QS interest began in the mid to late 1990's. I joined it in 1997.

There is an established agreement that dates all the way back to he beginning that fatals scenes involving minors (non-adults) are not allowed due to the fetish nature of the bulk of the movement, let alone comon desency.

For the health of the community I am trying to be a voice to keep this going because this would open a can of worms (pedophilia) that we do not want opened in this culture.

I recall a picture drawn as an inside joke several years ago by either Acid Testor or someone of his skill level of a bus load of high school cheer leaders going down in a mud pit. They were all trying to cross the mud to get out but died sinking to horrible deaths as the bus went under.

Now that the "joke" is over, the picture stands alone somewhere on the internet. I can just see some QS pedo'(they do exist) "jacking off" on the picture as he feeds his fantacy.

Again, I am sorry if I sound like a jerk. But I am trying to shore up a dam that was secure until about 2007 or so.

I do not see you as a problem. But I do see an innocent step in the wrong direction.

Sorry.”

Her response blew me away completely!

~PajamaGirl2014 1 day ago
“This is all very silly, I don't even know what QS means.

You seem really devoted to protecting something that most people probably don't even realize exists.

Lots of people draw loli's dying, it's not a big deal they're just pictures. Most people just think it's silly, I never knew people 'jacked off' to it but this is the internet and there people who jack off to everything, but people are not going to make the connection because that's just a random thing.

Applying the rules for your imaginary club to things outside it just seems silly to me is all, nothing about this breaks DA rules and that's all that matters.

I don't know what 1997 was like because I was a baby then, but in 2013 people don't take the internet that seriously.”

*****

First of all, I am refraining from responding to the last comment because it would break the group rule banning verbal slamming of another list member.

Second, I do not want the FBI at my doorstep with a warrant for my arrest for the crime of aggravated assault on a minor since the description given puts PJ2014 in late middle school or high school.

First of all, I need someone with more influence to address this individual because I feel that I have gone as far as I can given the little influence that I have.

Second, I am afraid that this issue is only going to grow worse given the lack of historical and cultural (both ours) that this community posesses.

I hope this clarifies why I am concerned.

<< Drawing of minor (taken from Deviant Art) removed by moderator >>

[DangerGirl]

Sorry, dk_angel7, but I have to agree with her. You can't apply the standards of a small community of fetishists across the board to the population at large. There may be people who masturbate while watching the PowerPuff Girls get punched, or kids getting slimed on old episodes of "You Can't Do That on Television." Does that mean that the shows should be banned, just to keep some "pervert" from gettting his jollies?

If she's not a member of the QS fetish community, nothing anyone says will make an impact because she has no concept of what a QS fetish is. I'll admit, using the term "loli" raises my eyebrows given the literary context, but the girl's comments seem to have been made in a humorous rather than sexual light. What is the nature of the other pictures on this particular DeviantArt user's page?

[Duncan Edwards]

Dude, this is just getting weird now. We went from history to some bizarre irrelevant conversation with a non-believer on Deviantart. We've already had an equally irrelevant side bar or two on personalities. Not sure what you're after but I think this is over for now. You might give it another try when your motivation and focus are a little sharper.

[dk_angel7]

First of all, I think a timeline is a great idea. We can highlight major events and milestones. People can plug in other events where they see fit.

Of course, I see a problem with people with egos whom believe that the world revolves around them. However, we need to start somewhere.

It gets a little stickier when the idea crosses into people that are still active in the community. My person feeling is that they have a 'living reputation' and should be known already in the here and now. In other words, let's write history only for those who no longer speak for themselves.

We could first limit the project to the 1990’s and the people involved with it then. I believe that it would make the task much easier.

We're documenting the pioneers, the milestones and the achievements. I don't think we should be immortalizing the infamous, who would get more recognition in this chronicle than other contributors to the community. At best, we'd be inflating their importance in the context of the community's history.

You do have a point. From another side, history is mainly about negative events. We might want to show some events (or people) that happened, how we dealt with it, and what changes we made to prevent this from happening again.

This could almost be an encyclopedia or collection to the Quicksand Fetish or Interest or Fascination, etc.

- Volume 1: The Quicksand Pioneers

- Volume 2: The Quicksand Artists

- Volume 3: The Quicksand Story Writers

- Volume 4: The Quicksand Videographers and Photographers

- Volume 5: The Quicksand Models

I like this idea. Again highlight essential people and others may be plugged in where they fit. If they do not like their biography, they can write their own from their own perspective. They would only document what kind of idiots they really were.

Honestly, I hope a better method is found to achieve this task.

There are a lot of things behind the scenes that might never be recorded but there are also many hard won lessons that are destined to be repeated if not written down somewhere.

I forgot who said, "whomever does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it".

We might need to recall WHY our forums ban religion, politics, and spell out why there are restrictions about how the topic of how the underage are depicted. We might need to encourage the limited participation of underage.

I would have to grant that some of the problems in the religious/political centered on some of my activities and my ability to keep my emotions in check. So, if I have to take a hit for the community, I’ll take it.

I believe it is THAT important to the future and health of the movement.

[Fred588]

The statement:

"I like this idea. Again highlight essential people and others may be plugged in where they fit. If they do not like their biography, they can write their own from their own perspective. They would only document what kind of idiots they really were."

in my opinion indicates a lack of objectivity. While it is MY opinion that some people have behaved like idiots, and also that a majority would probably agree with me, there will be others with different opinions. If a history is to avoid becoming propaganda this has to be avoided.