Desperate need to document the history of the QS movement.

[dk_angel7]

Dude, this is just getting weird now. We went from history to some bizarre irrelevant conversation with a non-believer on Deviantart. We've already had an equally irrelevant side bar or two on personalities. Not sure what you're after but I think this is over for now. You might give it another try when your motivation and focus are a little sharper.

The side bar points out the problem of what to do, how to document, and should we even mention people who have caused problems in the community.

My experience on Deviantart stressed the need to document our history and provide a guide to others how to set up a group to avoid the problems we have encountered in the past.

Above case in point, It is my opinion that the group in question needs to add a rule to ban fatal sequences that involve minors (let alone “mature” content).

It is not that I believe that the group is run poorly. I do not believe that.

It is that we have achieved a point in the evolution of the movement where the problem needs to be addressed for the sake of it’s future direction.

Sorry, dk_angel7, but I have to agree with her. You can't apply the standards of a small community of fetishists across the board to the population at large. There may be people who masturbate while watching the PowerPuff Girls get punched, or kids getting slimed on old episodes of "You Can't Do That on Television." Does that mean that the shows should be banned, just to keep some "pervert" from gettting his jollies?

If she's not a member of the QS fetish community, nothing anyone says will make an impact because she has no concept of what a QS fetish is. I'll admit, using the term "loli" raises my eyebrows given the literary context, but the girl's comments seem to have been made in a humorous rather than sexual light. What is the nature of the other pictures on this particular DeviantArt user's page?

I am not positive if its my inability to communicate complex ideas or not, but I feel that you have entirely missed my point.

I do not give a damn about other fetishes. I only care about this one (QS).

I tried point out to someone who just poked her nose into our community. I tried to tell her that we had a long-standing tradition of 15+ years that we do not encourage sequences or interpretations that involve the death of a minor.

That is what I tried to do.

Unfortunately, I got a response worthy of a 2010’s snot-nosed and stuck-up brat that she was.

There was nothing I could do about it afterwards since I have no admin’ authority in the group.

The comment had nothing to do about any sexual aspect. It was a drawing of a young girl whom looks like she is in middle school or younger. The comment was about a potential “snuffing” of the character.

True, we can not stop the world from “jacking off” at literally anything that triggers that reaction. Nor, can we stop someone who has fantasies about the death of little children. But, we can discourage it within our community.

By the way I looked at her page, she may be into toes and being eaten. Does not look like she was heavy into QS. If she is, she is quite new to our interest. She has the “interests” that connect to ours very well.

[Nessie]

Historians, start here:

http://groups.google.com

Into the search box, type this:

"alt.sex.fetish.wet-and-messy quicksand"

You will have to futz around and do some digging. But it's there.

Nessie

[dk_angel7]

The statement:

"I like this idea. Again highlight essential people and others may be plugged in where they fit. If they do not like their biography, they can write their own from their own perspective. They would only document what kind of idiots they really were."

in my opinion indicates a lack of objectivity. While it is MY opinion that some people have behaved like idiots, and also that a majority would probably agree with me, there will be others with different opinions. If a history is to avoid becoming propaganda this has to be avoided.

DE is correct when he questions my focus and motives. Neither of them has been well within the last five years, particularly the last three. The community also is aware of 15+ years of an inability to hold my emotions in check.

My main focus is a desire to record essential people, places, and events that we as an interest have seen. A motive to do this is an attempt to guide the next generation in a healthy direction avoiding some of the mistakes we have made in the past.

Yes, an essential issue for me is how the topic of children and adolescents are handled in relevant subject matter. This focus may have clouded the direction of the current conversation. Sorry!

Yes, Fred is correct that I am less than objective in my viewpoint. I do not and no longer want to be an important player in the movement. My views are generally right of center, even HARD right to many on this list. Thus, I would have a value system that would be set in stone and very different from the group as a whole.

Regarding motive, everybody acts with a selfish reason as the root of his or her motive – as do I.

Nobody knows the name of all the people in General George Washington’s boat when he crossed the Delaware River in a surprise attack against the British regulars.

If my memory ended up disappearing with thousands of others who participated in this interest, so be it. What are important are the people and events that shaped us as a movement. It is also important to attempt to shape the direction we as an interest will go in the future.

God knows my motives in everything I have attempted with this culture, even if it did stink like a rotting corps.

[Viridian]

I am not positive if its my inability to communicate complex ideas or not, but I feel that you have entirely missed my point.

I do not give a damn about other fetishes. I only care about this one (QS).

I tried point out to someone who just poked her nose into our community. I tried to tell her that we had a long-standing tradition of 15+ years that we do not encourage sequences or interpretations that involve the death of a minor.

That is what I tried to do.

Unfortunately, I got a response worthy of a 2010’s snot-nosed and stuck-up brat that she was.

There was nothing I could do about it afterwards since I have no admin’ authority in the group.

The comment had nothing to do about any sexual aspect. It was a drawing of a young girl whom looks like she is in middle school or younger. The comment was about a potential “snuffing” of the character.

True, we can not stop the world from “jacking off” at literally anything that triggers that reaction. Nor, can we stop someone who has fantasies about the death of little children. But, we can discourage it within our community.

By the way I looked at her page, she may be into toes and being eaten. Does not look like she was heavy into QS. If she is, she is quite new to our interest. She has the “interests” that connect to ours very well.

In honesty, it sounds like you're ramming your view of a community's expectations down the throat of a random person. The dA community is not the QS community. There's no point in lecturing someone about long standing "traditions" in a different community (Edit: 1.5 years AFTER the original comment) and then making judgements about them when they don't understand. My reaction would be the same: "Huh?" Plus, she was quite articulate in her rational response. Snot-nosed brat? She was spot-on with her response: most people aren't aware of and aren't interested in the QS community. She's not even "poking her nose" into "our" community. She just came across a goddamn picture on deviantART.

Relax. There is no "real problem" on our hands. We have very clear rules about representation of minors, and if there was a problem, writing history isn't going to fix it. Let's take your moral crusade out of this thread and focus on what we actually want to document:

- Volume 1: The Quicksand Pioneers

- Volume 2: The Quicksand Artists

- Volume 3: The Quicksand Story Writers

- Volume 4: The Quicksand Videographers and Photographers

- Volume 5: The Quicksand Models

^This. It's neutral, factual and sensible. It covers our interest, its history and its various elements with due respect and recognition. No vendettas against villains past. No politics. No veiled purpose.

I suggest instead of compiling "volumes" that we create a wiki-model so that everyone can contribute their part and knowledge of the QS community. This will allow contributors to the history to be accountable for what they write and allow the community to regulate the information that is being gathered.

[dk_angel7]

I am glad that the idea of a documented history is being discussed.

Other than that, I think that it would be a REALLY good idea for me to back out of this thread.

[Fred588]

Chat History

Here aare some pieces of information about the various chat rooms that have served the quicksand community over the years. I cannot actually identify the precise dtes or even years of activity ( in spite of being fairly active in most) but I can give a few facts.

The first two chat rooms I know about were on IRC. I cannot quite remember the name of one of them, but the one for quicksand was WAMQuicksand. One was mainly on WAM and WAM Quicksand was quicksand. The quicksand IRC channel was originally founded by James DiGriz and he turned it over to me after a while.

There was a chatroom on Yahoo for quite a while until Yahoo shut down all its user-created chatrooms. That room was created and manned mainly by myself and Ken Hamilton.

The deepsinking forum had a chat room called "sinking island." It might even still exist. Sinking Island was different from most chats in that it offered some interactivity. You could, for example, order food and drink items at its main room, which was a restaurant, and they would be delivered by a waiter. There was also a system of trails that led to quicksand pits and other things you could play with. Sinking Island was created by Jiminy Thicket.

The quicksandfans forum has a chat room also. It is a pretty straightforward room. It has no direct interactivity but it does have a random number generatr that can be used for simpe role play sorts of things.

I believe there are several chat rooms or chat-like places in Second Life. While I do not use Second Life, I believe it enables the use of avatars and user-generated environments that add a visual touch. Quicksandfans has a sub forum devoted to things related to Second Life.
I have no direct knowldge of the people who have created locations in SecondLife.

The quicksandland.com forum also has a chat room called psychicworldjungleland.com. This one is set up similarly to sinking island. Its main room is called the bar and grill and has some of the same features except ordered items are delivered by a waitress rather than a waiter. That site also has a system of trails and things you can interact with but those are currently much less complex than was sinking island. Psychicworldjungleland.com was created by myself with the programming assistance, for a while, of Aiko.

There may havebeen others I have forgotten or never knew about.

[Viridian]

^I don't believe Second Life would be considered a chatroom. It's more of a virtual world. While some users have created QS-themed areas, in my opinion it's difficult for the QS community to claim SL as part of its history.

[Fred588]

^I don't believe Second Life would be considered a chatroom. It's more of a virtual world. While some users have created QS-themed areas, in my opinion it's difficult for the QS community to claim SL as part of its history.

As i said I have never used SL so I yeild to others' opinions on that.

[Ted]

...We might need to recall WHY our forums ban religion, politics, and spell out why there are restrictions about how the topic of how the underage are depicted. We might need to encourage the limited participation of underage. ...

Not on my watch.

[Parzival2600]

"Not on my watch."

LOL!

Ok, so whatever the sidebar stuff is, I'm gonna side step that and move over here....there. Now, it's quite funny that this is being discussed, as a project I'm currently getting underway (As mentioned in a previous thread.) touches down on this. I call it The Alan Parsons Quicksand Project.

I won't be committing details just yet. This will take time, I'm shooting for a launch date of next summer. With work and such, time is scarce. I will say this though, the community needs a foundation to rally around. A place one can learn of the community's origins, connect with other sites and forums, and an archive for important QS related material.

This is a massive undertaking. I'm willing to invest in this, but I can't do it alone. It's refreshing to know the community is interested in such a thing. I'll post more on this when the time is right. Till then, please continue to discuss this.

-Parzival