Wlling Sink and Submergence

[velocity88]

Hello everyone. Just wondering what your thoughts are on the notion of women (or men, for that matter) who willingly sink to their deaths in quicksand stories:

1. Women who consensually sink and drown: yay or nay?

2. If the former, what about it makes it so arousing?

3. What is your favorite scenario?:

a. The woman falls into quicksand unexpectedly, struggles for her life, then resigns and enjoys herself until she drowns.

b. The woman goes to play in the quicksand with an escape planned, but rope breaks, etc., and she resigns and sinks away.

c. The woman seeks out and enters the quicksand willingly, fully intending to go under and even rejecting any sure opportunity for rescue until she submerges.

d. The woman is forced into the quicksand by a second party, but unexpectedly finds it pleasurable and goes under.

e. Some other fantasy you would like to share?

Finally, is arousal always a necessary part of this fantasy?

[MadMax359]

willing sinking has no appeal to me at all
I prefer damsels struggling to get out, with all their might

[Herzeleid]

I'm with madmax on this one. The thought of the victim struggling is what does it for me. Of course, I'm always there at the last minute to rescue her !

[Mynock]

I think 3-B would probably be my favorite. I always have trouble buying the "Ooops I accidently fell into this big obvious pit of mud" thing.

[Aiko]

3b is my favorite. 3a and 3d also appeal to me, but 3c is not all that interesting. There has to be at least some struggling/drama. An entirely consensual sink with a grim ending lacks that.

3e: She enters the quicksand willingly with the intention to drown, but at some point she changes her mind and attempts to escape.
In this scenario (as well as for 3c) arousal is optional. The sinker might simply be intending to commit suicide. Otherwise I cannot think of a reason for someone to willingly sink and drown.

[Fred588]

As a producer my role is to try to do a variety of things so there will be something for everyone. I do find, however, that plausibility is a valid issue, and that is rather strained with the willing sink to death kind of thing. To an extent, however, I think some slight modifications of the story line makes it possible to have it both ways. If the back story makes the scene a fantasy, or a dream, or in some other way removes death as a literal element, then I think it becomes MUCH more plausible. It might even be left in as a literal element if the character is shown as insane, deluded, or perhaps trying to serve some higher purpose. (Note that reported history from the early Christian era of the Roman empire is full of stories of martyrs who, in the stories, were not only willing but in some cases happy to be killed for their cause, although they would have regarded suicide as wrong. There may be some element of that, even extending to suicide, in recent events as well.

[quagmire_uk]

I quite like "willing sink" scenarios, but the submergence aspect is what stretches plausibility. I'm not a "grim" fan anyway so I'm happy without their being a submergence.

I think the best example of something like 3a - an accidental victim struggling and then becoming aroused - is one MPV's videos, "Here Doggie", starring Amy. Her great acting and movement and struggles do a convincing job of making it seem like she is struggling to escape, but those same movements then turn her on. As things progress, the movements seem less likely to get her free and instead are more directed to increasing those feelings... in the end she's saying "no, no, no... yes... no!... yes!"

But she only gets waist deep (which suits me fine). If she was neck deep and being turned on and enjoying it as she goes under, it would seem far less plausible. She would need to have a quicksand fetish and went out looking for quicksand for that to be at all believable. But if she's only waist deep, and being stuck is an inconvenience rather than something that seems dangerous, then it can be believable that she's an "ordinary" person who got stuck accidentally and then discovered unexpected feelings. I recommend everyone check out that "Here doggie" scene, it's really very good.

[nachtjaeger]

One of my favorite fantasies is the lady who goes to play in the mud, is having a great time, then discovers that there's no bottom and she can't get out.

As far as a "willing" sink, one favorite concept of mine is the "Romeo and Juliet" sink. The couple are star-crossed lovers, and decide to just disappear so they "can be together forever." They willingly step in the quicksand, they kiss, then things get hotter and hotter, and then just as they're "at the edge" they go under.

[abcde321]

"Willing" sinking (3c) scenes are interesting for me. There are not a lot of such scenes, and their difference from the others makes them very exciting.
But really favourite "willing" situation for me is when girl willing to go into quicksand (may be really deep into quicksand). May be to cross it, to get something in mud, make some science measurements, get some adrenaline e.t.c. She goes deep in mud, she know that mud is deep, but she is ready for it. She senses mud, may be aroused or not, but she's not scared very much during most of scene. Until she realizes that it's too deep and hard to move for her and she can't escape and really sinking. I.e. girl in deep mud/quicksand but not very scared, not afraid it. She start to sink, but she know that she can start sink before she step into mud, and ready to this dangerous situation. Then she may submerge out of sight, but she continue struggling under the surface, sometimes escapes and submerges e.t.c. But she became scared (more and more scared and may be hysteical) only shortly before the culmination, most of scene she's calm despite of dangerous situation. It's mine 3e.
This kind of situation is too realistic for me - all of us goes into mud and likes girl to do it for us, and we normally are not scared in deep mud until something runs wrong. All like in the real life - but actress can really sink, it fixes main shortage of real quicksand.
I like scenes (3b) where girls goes to sink for arousal and planning escape (and escapes or sinks) too, but it's not so exciting such fantasy depicted above. Scenes 3a, where girl tumbles from fighting for escape to sinking for arousal are not so exciting me because of it's not very realistic. Yes, girl may realize mud arousing her and return into it later, but she will not allow mud to suck her only because pleasure from mud fillings.

[velocity88]

Wow. Nice to hear so many points of view.

I suppose in my case 3b and 3c would be my favorites, but especially 3c. Unrealistic, I know, but the sense of “erotic surrender” and finality that a consensually doomed sink implies is extremely provocative for me. I mean, she would be abandoning everything in life for the sake of pure pleasure and enjoying every moment of her end. Either that or her rope breaks and she takes that “Oh well, if you gotta go” attitude, but that’s just me.

If anyone is curious about 3c, I have an old story that I could post, but am uncertain of the author or if I would be violating copyright laws. It’s called “Jungle Lovers” and has a girl who foregoes her rope because she knows she doesn’t want to come back up. She is rescued by a jungle girl, but only because she wants to sink with her. They both eagerly jump in and make love while they go under together. At no point do they resist or regret their doom.

If you are interested, check out this old thread:

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=273

There some incredible examples of each.

3a: Fatal Embrace, Fatal lover

3b: Famous Final Scene

3c: Perchance to Dream

3d: Trapper, Triad, Beauty and the Beast

Let me know what you think!