Come to the Dark Side- we have cookies!

[nachtjaeger]

WARNING- EXPLICIT CONTENT

Hey, gang!

Thought I'd start a thread on the "Dark Side" of the QS fantasy. The whole crying, screaming, grim ending thing.

For reference, I used to be 100% the White Knight. My fantasies were always of a last-second rescue. But as part of my personal journey, I've been getting in touch with my Dark Side. One fantasy I've been exploring (thanks, Acid Tester) is the idea of demanding sexual favors in return for rescuing the damsel sinking in quicksand. Let me say that I have no trouble separating fantasy and reality, and could never do anything nasty to a lady in real life. But if the lady and I were already lovers, and she was into the whole forced-sex fantasy, it could be really fun. Would be great watching the lady's emotions go from "Screw you, asshole!" to "Please don't let me die! I'll do anything, I promise!!" Another fantasy is to find two hot babes sinking in quicksand. The first one to agree to perform oral sex gets rescued, the other one doesn't get rescued until I achieve orgasm. (Again, AT's bad influence.) Not something I would do in real life, except with willing partners.

So, back to the original topic of the thread, has anybody else gone through coming to terms with their Dark Side? Did you have any issues? How do grim endings make you feel?

[dlodoski]

As someone who traditionally lost interest at neck deep (I know, I know - the Horror!), I have slowly but surely let 'The Dark Side' creep into my fantasies. I mean, a good submersion would generally give me a kick of sorts. But now, I'm starting to focus on nothing under their feet - and the subsequent serious trouble.

And I know that losing interest at neck deep seems insane, given that a lot of folks here start to really pay attention at that point, but that's just me.

As far as how I feel about it? I don't really have any strong feelings about it. To me it's just a slow seismic shift in my basic fantasy template. No big deal.

And obviously, there isn't necessarily a basic connection between what I shoot and what I fantasize about. If there was, my production output would be limited in creative scope.

[kham]

Dennis Miller had a good line for this; he said once, that Man, is the noblest, and most depraved creature on the face of the earth. Sometimes in the same 5 minute span

It's not something that needs dwelled on too too much. Besides, without the darkness, there would be no light

[Fred588]

I like any kind of quicksand scene or image so it really doesn't matter to me if it involves a submersion or not. The overwhelming majority of the scene I have filmed DO involve a submergence, sometimes several, but since many of those are stories of fantasies, dreams, or other forms of fiction they don't have to be viewed as 'grim." I suppose that might mean I have more than one quicksand 'button." For me as a producer the fun is really in the production. By that I mean that the real fun is in taking on and solving a complicated problem. A simple kind of "complicated" problem, if that makes and sense, is that of how to "block" and shoot a scene, especially one with more than one actress and two (or more) cameras and minimal (or no) crew. Another is that of organizing and executing a shoot, with its issues of transportation, meals, cleanup, laundry, bugs, possible rain, shortage of crew, high maintenance models, and so on. Even more complex, and therefore more fun, is that of building the Studio itself, both as a facility and as a business, doing a large number of shoots every year and also serving as a host to other producers, eventually year-round.

[MadMax359]

on the big question of the Dark Side... that's half of the fun, dreaming up scenarios for a damsel to be sinking... and since I'm one of the ones that love bondage as well, part of me wants to be the villain tying up the heroine and consigning her to some perilous deathtrap

so far, that's as Dark as I go... I'm still on the White Knight side when it comes to the climax of the scene... I think that's a factor in telling myself I'm ultimately on the damsel's side

And I know that losing interest at neck deep seems insane, given that a lot of folks here start to really pay attention at that point, but that's just me.

on this side note--- not a bit insane, I'm with you among the "nothing deeper than the neck" crew... I figure there's plenty of room for both camps, given that to the vast vanilla public we're all a Lot Insane

[Northerner]

I like ALL quicksand scenarios, but my brain always sorta interpreted "woman in quicksand" as vulnerable, trapped, gooey, unable to escape me == a plaything for my enjoyment. And the fact that they are in a gooey fun mud pit makes the whole arrangement even more attractive

Quicksand is such a primal sort of jungley trap, and its been established as such by all the hollywood movies.. a force of nature that can dominate humans, rendering them as helpless as a dumb animal... when it comes to fantasy... it is somehow very wonderful to see girls vulnerable, trapped and struggling, as if they are set up to be my prey...

Now, before I start to sound too creepy, DISCLAIMER, this is purely fantasy that is mostly bottled up in my head, I absolutely respect women in my daily life and I don't think I am actually capable of raping anyone. (Real life is far too depressing and bleak to add to that misery by assaulting a woman).

Anyway, in my fantasy, I would jump into the quicksand with the girl and she would soon also be sexually intoxicated by the primal, muddy trap we were in... eventually returning my embrace. It's not an exciting fantasy to me, unless the female gets some enjoyment out of it.... but an initial reluctance is somehow very enticing, as evidenced by popularity of "harlequin romance" / "reluctant lover" literature.

Kind of basis of this picture I did... "muddy entanglement" ... my idea was, two girls fell into quicksand, and were eventually overcome with muddy lust for each other (I'm not sure who attacked first ) The thing preventing their escape is their own animalistic sexuality, clouding their judgment in the quaking mud pit.

[Duncan Edwards]

Let me begin by saying I think this is an excellent topic the likes of which we need more often. Good discussion is rare and I'd like to encourage it.

I won't say there's no such thing as a bad quicksand scene or story but there's probably not a bad one that includes a pretty lady. My "dark side" is pretty much all about sinking the hapless damsel. A good struggle with an implied doom can be good as well but those are rare. Best such example is Botany Final with Paris and Jessica. Great, great, piece of work. By and large however I prefer to see the attractive female victim(s) being devoured by the bog in a manner that sort of goes along with what I can only figure is my version of good sex. Total submission or a good fight followed by total domination with lots of heavy breathing, sweating, and some dirty talk. When one of the producers manages to sink a busload of 18-21 year old cheerleaders with nary a survivor I think we will be about half way to what I think is a scene that satisfies some of my ugliest desires.

Then there's the issue of my personal crazy dreams and fantasies. One of the best involved doing unspeakable things to a lady close to my age while we were both neck deep and watching a trio of teenage lesbians do things to each other as they sank at the same time. I also have a swampy private tropical island I go to that is populated with every manner of lovely lady and who's only purpose in life is to please me no matter what the cost to them. If I'm going to have outrageous dark desires I see no reason to keep them small. You don't want to know what my version of the Playboy Mansion is like.

I could go on but suffice it to say that I would never go for anything as sweet and simple as extending a hand and being content with gaining the respect of the damsel. Weird and yet typical because in real life I've gone out of my way to be protective and considerate of the ladies I've been around on photo shoots and private times.

I've been married for twenty-five years and have a daughter that I treasure.

I quit trying to understand it long ago and just enjoy it.

[nachtjaeger]

Agreed, good discussion.

Interestingly, I find a strong (physically and mentally) female caught in quicksand more attractive than the stereotypical "damsel in distress." Dominating and controlling a submissive- where's the fun in that?

I think that's why the horror movie screenplay I have in my head involves characters who aren't drunken, sex-starved teens. My characters know exactly what they're up against, exactly how to fight it- and get picked off one by one anyway. I like the idea of intelligent characters running into unexplainable, impossible situations, and getting freaked because even the laws of physics seem to be on the side of evil.

One story I wrote but never shared here involved two sexy ladies who want to play in real quicksand. One girl is scared that they'll be sucked under, but the other assures her that quicksand is too dense to suck you under. So she builds a hydrometer out of PVC pipe etc. and uses it to demonstrate that the quicksand really is denser than water, so humans will float in it. So they both get in the quicksand, and just as they're getting really comfortable with it, the hydrometer suddenly decides to start sinking deeper- indicating that the quicksand is somehow getting less dense. Panic, screaming, struggling and sinking follow immediately. That sort of thing is what I mean. The terror of the unknown- you think you're safe, but you're dead wrong.

[rhinodynamo]

Oh gosh! I'm afraid to answer, but I also can't resist! My fantasties revolve around both women and men. Usually, I'm at the mercy of a woman I can't trust. She promises me rescue at the price of something in my possession (a map, jewels, etc.) She's always blonde or redhead, usually older than myself. The pit itself is usually creamy/muddy or black and grainy. Sometimes she is with me in the pit, dragging me down as I panic to shake her off. Sometimes she tricks me into to going a certain direction, knowing I'll become stuck if I go that way. Sometimes she attempts a near-rescue in order to more safely retrieve what she wants, only to let go of the vine or branch after getting what she wants. Sometimes she'll watch me submerge. Sometimes a guy is with me and falls in too. Now that I think about it, my male fantasies are much the same, just with a guy in place of the woman. But If a guy has me at his mercy, he sometimes smirks or appears to be enjoying my plight, something I never fantasize with a female antagonist. If a guy is stuck with me, sometimes he purposely grabs my arm around my back so as to make sure I sink. I've never concocted a fantasy where me and a woman are both at the mercy of anybody.

[Qsvgitguy]

OH BOY! ME LOVE COOKIES!!!!!!!



Okay, being the guy in school that the girls not only ignored, but frantically ran away from, quicksand to me has always been about power, or the lack there of. The thing that has always intrigued me about QS is the idea that one wrong step, that's it! YOU'RE DONE!

For me, besides the sensual/sexual aspect of the quicksand/mud/whatever toughing the girls body everywhere, seeing a beautiful girl in QS, helpless and doomed unless somebody comes to help, has always been empowering. I could either help them and be the hero, or watch then go under, head tilted back and screaming as the QS envelops that beautiful face!

With either a rescue or not, its all about the submersion for me. It's almost, but not quite, the point of no return. Oh the struggle, the panic, the futility!!!!!! A female quicksand scene without the submersion is like sex without the orgasm. Not quite the same and rather unsatisfying.

That's my two cents. Spend them how you like.

Oh, and just to make sure there's no confusion, yeah, this just fantasy and I would never harm a woman in real life.

Cheers.